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War crimes should be taken very seriously, not dealt with in the court of public opinion. Just look at how “ready to convict” people are in this thread, without any evidence whatsoever, just on hearsay —though yes, Haaretz is very reputable. “Blood libel” may be too strong a term, but similar idea: the jews are conspiring to do evil to non-Jews and keep it secret by control of the media or by leveraging the “zog” or maybe shapeshifting or Kabbalah or something more imaginative. It’s all just shades of antisemitism.

Even the stance that such claims must be valid because the reporters are Israeli, is itself derivative of the Jewish conspiracy trope. Is it more likely there is a large conspiracy afoot and Israeli officers are engaging in war crimes at large scale as many in this thread have concluded (even before this report), or that these are isolated and undesirable events playing out in the fog of war and representative of poor decision making in circumstances of which we have only partial knowledge?

My bias, if I have one, is to believe that the Israeli military, or really any competently run military anywhere, is interested in not committing war crimes when avoidable.

“fully subscribed to Zionist narrative of an exclusive Israeli right to the land”

Not really. That ignores all the important nuance. Half of the current American right is America first and or ideologically libertarian, and are being pretty heavily vilified in the press and pundit circles because they want less aid to Israel and fewer forever wars. That’s it, I think they’re called woke-MAGA by detractors. Hillary even suggested Tulsi (who claimed Iran wasn’t building nukes) was a Russian asset.

Israel has a lot of soft power in the west, because our shared history (Jesus was a Jew) and because many of the greatest Americans have been Jewish. We love the Jews because they are great people, and siding with them when they are attacked is what people with western values will do when friends are attacked.

Always too many hints of latent anti-semitism in these discussions. It’s clear: war is an abomination. “He to whom harm is done, does harm in return.” So let’s not pretend this, if it’s real, is an Israeli specific thing.

If the claims are accurate, and we don’t know they are yet, they are the direct result of the bad situation we’re all in, and that situation was precipitated by (though perhaps not entirely due to) October 7th. We can’t let that get lost in the noise of what could be legitimate criticism of, hopefully isolated, Israeli military tactics. An overreaction to October 7th is bad, but it’s still just a reaction. The first punch was thrown by hamas. The terrorists videotaped themselves and their atrocities that day, wild celebrations of their horrors broke out, followed within hours and days by, shockingly to those with any sense of human decency, massive anti-Israeli protests in the West. Images of all of that are seared into the hearts and minds of most Israeli’s who will literally never forget. Wars are evil, and once started they are sometimes impossible to stop.

But bottom line, these are particularly disturbing claims and should be investigated, and if they are true then immediate changes should be made, including the removal and punishment of those who may be responsible.

Re:America's Prison Population Is in Serious Decline on Thursday June 26, 2025 @10:37AM (#44387881)
I’m sure the return on in region labor dollars decline that you note is real but is it regional? Where in the US is the return on labor dollars not declining? Housing costs, including taxes, seems to be the big problem in the Bay Area. Workers are still productive, but they require higher pay to offset the demand for housing caused by all the foreign “lubrication” and tech-49ers.