fixedsys

I don’t see the point of using an SQL like language instead of actual SQL unless you need to support multiple different RDBMSs.

IMO, SQL is a domain specific language that is far from verbose. If you need to understand or predict the SQL and let that influence your ORM code, then just use SQL.

Ha. Funny but I’m the exact opposite. Had to use hibernate and spring once. Trying to debug with 45 XML config files scarred me for life. That coupled with MySQL who even Ellison will tell you, is a toy, I saw the writing on the wall and quit the job a couple of months before that whole team got fired while the company had no choice but to throw the code in the bin. My view is that ORMs can never compete with a proper enterprise scale RDBMS with people who know how to use it.