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>You guys really don't like us do you?

I won't speak for other men, only for myself.

Growing up my idea of what a normal relationship look like was 60% not telling the truth, and 40% of bracing yourself for a fight of some kind if you did tell the truth. Sometimes it ended with just angry words but sometimes it escalated. Thing was, if that was what having a partner looks like, to be more terrified about coming home then hiding at school or work where you were treated with far more respect, then what was the point?

So it's not about disliking women or expecting sex. It's the idea of intimacy with anyone that's horrific to me.

Being older now I realize that perhaps what I saw growing up probably isn't what it's supposed to be. But what is it supposed to look like if not that? How am I supposed to act as a partner? What should I be expecting? And neither answers the question of what the point is. Or whether it is worth the risk of dropping your guard.

At this point in my life I don't think I'll ever find the answer, I'm far too old now. And with today's availability of baubles wanting attention, even if it's an unfulfilling or unhappy life, there's enough distraction to keep one's mind off of any of that. I don't know if there's anyone else out there that's like this, but I'd be very surprised if my life's story was the only one like this in the world.

Hope this helps gives a little perspective for you.

I don't imagine that it would be drastically different then raising a son today and here; the odds would still be excellent for a son to grow up an be successful.

Mind if I ask what you had in mind to make you think that such a situation would dissuade someone from raising a son?

At the risk of sounding cold... anything that causes the mortality rate of men in this high risk category to rise significantly would likely reduce the overall problem. For example, making the choice of suicide readily available for young men that face poo life prospects, and the choice of ending your own life for the better of society a virtue, perhaps even heroic.

Whether enough people would see such a thing as acceptable for it to become policy is an entirely different issue.

>There are probably a lot of us out there. If it weren't for a couple of cat monsters I probably would have lost all of my marbles by now.

I think you might be underestimating yourself as a human being. I spend about 8 months with little human contact. I spoke twice with my parents for about 10 minutes each, once for 2 minutes to ask some questions, and maybe 10 seconds each time to the cashier when buying food (however it never deviated from this script; "Would you like bags?" "Yes." "How are you paying?" "Cash." "Have a nice day."). That was it. Nothing else.

I won't say that it was an easy or enjoyable thing to do, but I think given enough time and focus, almost anyone can probably acclimate to a complete lack of human contact without loosing all their marbles.

>No job is worth it.

I suspect that may be because you have something else in your life that you value. Thing is there's plenty of people that have no friends, no family, no possession. Nothing to value other then little meager work they do.

Take that away, and what would someone like that have left?