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Not every topic needs your reactionary grievances. So incredibly pathetic, both of you.

I meant you.

That quarrel was so incredibly petty. Oneupmanship, madness of not conforming with the zeitgeist, cherry-picking, whatnot.

Yeah, as usual with devs; pick a tribe then go to insufferable lengths with the newfound and completely unearned superiority complex.

Pour any Rationalist article through a colander and what remains after the pseudo-intellectualism drain away is bog standard US right-wing ideology. That’s why.

Seriously, the so called rationalists seem to be working very hard to be as weird as possible. Some sort of pathological contrarianism.

Stop playing stupid. It’s your usual “Even the famously progressive support my reactionary bullshit”-schtick.

”far left” just shows your own bias.

Yes, when you use it’s always dishonest.

Very much applies to this place too.

The filtering process that’s been happening here over the years could be studied.

That tax structure is not part of the Nordic social democratic welfare system that you’re dishonestly clout chasing from, but part of a right wing / free market shift in Swedish politics from the last few decades.

That extrapolation is doing some serious work. From a salesy conference talk all the way to the Zig community being toxic from the top down. Impressive axe grinding.

Hmm, it’s a conference talk? Conferences are for networking and promotion.

Furthermore, considering the current state of affairs in software dev, anyone evangelising software quality is going to get some benefit of the doubt from me.

Another obnoxious behaviour I’ve observed lately, is trying to attach whatever pre-existing pet methodologies one had to the AI-hype bandwagon like some sort of personal vindication orgy.

Or it’s just people with different opinions that took charge.

I find it funny reading sometimes how my country learned to conform on something that was previously a bit unique and people are like ”yeah, even they figured out it doesn’t work!”. No, you dingus, the people that wanted to conform were just elected. It worked perfectly fine otherwise.

I’m sure lots of rich assholes take comfort from this unfortunately common attitude.

This entire blog post exists due to someone clearly needing to vent, try to work backwards from that. If things were as peachy amicable as you guys imagine, this thread wouldn’t exists.

Sigh, as expected. Incredible display of being unable to read between the lines and be dazzled by superficiality. But I don't expect even base levels of street smartness here. Why do nerds on a "well ackshually"-mission always think they can demand work of other people? "Please pointlessly spend time to walk me through something my comment history clearly shows I've already made up my mind on". I'm not your fucking caretaker.

To summarise it, as I believe this would be an exercise in futility to discuss with you: Bun/Jarred very obviously threw Zig under the bus when it was opportune and self-serving to do so after joining Anthropic.

There are more ways to behave badly than to call someone bad words. If you’re being that literal.

I guess I don't value the stoic leadership ideal as much as you do.

I just don't think it's fair to expect people getting shit to be expected to use kid gloves when responding to it.

I'm sorry but I honestly think this is just being superficial wanting to push it through some kind of corporate speak filter to be able to stomach it.

> Using phrases like "stinky manager"

I would've used a worse adjective given the WLB tweet etc. Is it just because stinky itself has a childish tone to it rather than something like shitty? Or do one need to reach to somewhat open-ended terms like "questionable" to be palatable?

> implying by not going to university he was too stupid to think critically about his path forward

I read that as emphasizing the Thiel Fellowship part, not the lack of university education.

> I don't interact with Zig or Bun, but I certainly haven't been enticed to try Zig after this.

I'm so tired of "I've never played [game] & have never had any intention to play [game] whatsoever, but given [newfound-grievance] I wont buy it!"-style dismissals - talking about childishness.

It's all about tone. The original bad behavior is done without overt "bad tone" but if the response to it is spicy then the former is ignored and the latter is condemned despite being of lesser severity.

I can buy that it can be good corporate politics to not upset the superficial crowd that will immediately lash out on tone, but I will not judge someone rightfully reacting on bad behavior that they've been on the receiving end of.

Also, I didn't say being rude is a sign of honesty, that's you extrapolating.

> "Oven is going to be a grind, especially the first nine months or so. If work-life balance means a lot of time spent not working, it's probably not a good fit."

Stinky manager is charitable.

No, it's embarrassing being obsessed with good tone to the point that people behaving badly should never be called out for it.

The article provides good background into how it got to this point - and it fits well with doing an opportunistic AI rewrite after being acquired by an AI provider.

That this is a technological decision rather than rationalizations (e.g. fixing self-inflicted problems are now marketed as a rewrite win) that Rust is a better fit for an Anthropic-owned project.

Given the chronology set out by Andrew, I think it's warranted anyway.

It's depressing seeing so little critical thinking despite clear and obvious incentives (Bun now being part of Anthropic) behind the reckless decisions that's been made here. Judging by this thread a well-formed article is all that's required for lots of people to just take everything at face value since it confirms the biases of what's currently fashionable.

That's due to moving away from the government ensuring an adequate supply of rental units over the last decades. Intentional free market style policies.

I'd expect GitLab to have contractors as well like most companies. Unclear if there's a significantly larger amount at Valve. It's a large gap to fill with contractors though to reach GitLab numbers.

GitLab is also a smaller company than I'd expect Valve to be - given its products & reach - if it was public and went through the same kind of inflation process.

This was in relation to employee count, not valuation.