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ATS2 has been effectively frozen for a number of years, the recent commits have mostly been build changes so it can compile ATS3. ATS2 is stable and usable today and release notes are in the CHANGES-ats2 in the repo. I have a few posts showing some of the features on my blog (
https://bluishcoder.co.nz/tags/ats/) for ATS2 and the previous version, ATS1. ATS3 is under development. It compiles itself but from what I can tell it is not generally usable at the moment. It's main design change is two-layer type checking. ML-style first, dependent types on top, in an attempt to lower the learning curve. The ats-lang-users google group is probably the best place to follow progress.
Years ago I built a website in Factor for testing HTML 5 video in browsers using the Theora codec. It allowed uploading videos, playing them in the browser, converting to Theora, transcoding YouTube videos, etc. It operated for a few years.
About the same time I wrote an 8080 emulator in Factor and emulated Space Invaders and a couple of other games using the Factor UI code.
For quite a while it was my go-to language for implementing things.
What are the US territories it's in the thick of? Closest territories are French Polynesia and Rapa nui, a Chilean territory.
Saying "they hated it" when referring to their return from the migration to Tahiti is underselling things a bit. Over a third of them died from sickness having no immunity to things having been isolated so long. The island lifestyle there was completely unlike Tahiti of the past due to the influx of non-Tahitian people, and they basically lived in slums. Luckily they were able to sell copper sheathing from the Bounty to pay for the return journey back to Pitcairn.
Starlink is available there now and is probably the best option for high speed internet.
I met Tom on the island when I stayed there about 12 years ago. He's a cousin of mine - my grandmother was born there and I'm a descendent of Fletcher Christian too. I was there for a month and had a great time. The island is small but very hilly so there's lots of walking around and exploring that can be done. There's definitely a feeling of remoteness when your boat leaves and the realisation that there's no way to leave until it comes back again!
> Or not seeing many Maori in language classes cause they weren't interested but I was required to attend
It's difficult for those who don't come from a culture that has experienced it, but when parents and grandparents were beaten for speaking their heritage language in schools, and the message was passed down that it wasn't to be spoken or learnt, there's a certain amount of emotional baggage to overcome to then attend classes to learn it - especially when those classes are filling with people who are of the culture that discouraged the language. Luckily things are getting better on that front.
As for the "cuzzies" and the "Cody's", just because some people of a culture ignore or don't know about the customs of their own culture doesn't make it wrong for people to encourage others to learn about and respect it.
The "if only those people we subjugated were a little more respectful to us I'd be more willing to be respectful to them" isn't a good look.
Like it or not, it's what current research - the science you appeal to -- appears to show. As stated here:
"...the researchers determined that the island experienced steady population growth from its initial settlement until European contact in 1722. After that date, two models show a possible population plateau, while another two models show possible decline."
and
"Current research shows that deforestation was prolonged and didn’t result in catastrophic erosion; the trees were ultimately replaced by gardens mulched with stone that increased agricultural productivity. During times of drought, the people may have relied on freshwater coastal seeps." [1]
"Evil Europeans" is your term in an attempt to make it seem as if the European culture is being attacked. There is no "modern rewriting of history according to modern sensitivities", it's rewriting of history taking into account new knowledge that Pacific peoples weren't stupid, had spread across the Pacific using navigation methods unknown to Europeans for thousands of years and recognising the effects of the introduction of outside cultures - disease, slavery and theft.
https://www.binghamton.edu/news/story/3155/resilience-not-co...
ATS is great, I’ve used ATS1 and ATS2 quite a bit and it worked well. Unfortunately it suffers a bit from the “rewrite every few years” as research directions change.
> My agenda is to obviously raise awareness that an island that aids sexual abusers is bad
This is another example of you using emotive phrases to imply a narrative that is not true. Pitcairn Island does not aid sexual abusers. Abuse is abhorrent. Trials were held, people were convicted. I'm not sure what is different to how this is handled anywhere else in the world.
My understanding is the UK government cancelled the scheme after the contractors failed to meet their deliverable dates and the costs ballooned. Effort is now going into solar power instead, with some houses already having panels installed.
It's usually pretty warm, 20-ish celcius. It got cold when I was there when a storm was passing through, dropping to about 12 celcius. It can get stormy but for the month I was there it was mostly sunshine with short showers. I'm not sure how different the rest of the year is though - I was there for April/May.
Note that Pitcairn Island isn't 47 sq. km. That's the size of the combined islands in the Pitcairn area - Henderson, Ducie, Oeno and Pitcairn. Pitcairn Island itself is 3.2km long and 1.6km wide.
The population has been in the low hundreds in the past, and population pressure was one of the reasons for the 1831 migration to Tahiti and the 1856 migration to Norfolk.
I agree more information on the website would be good.
I've heard that there have been applications, but the problem seems to be that the people applying lack the understanding of what it's like to live there. Generally you want people to live on the island for a few months to see if they can manage. Things are on hold at the moment due to the borders being closed during the pandemic.
There are children on the island, and a school there. When they get to high school age they leave the island to attend school in New Zealand and return afterwards - or stay in NZ. At the time of my journey there was a child protection order on the island which means if you planned to take children under the age of 16 then you need to apply for a visa. Government jobs don't allow taking children. One of the unfortunate obstacles to people immigrating is there is no public long term plan that I've seen about when that order will be lifted.
Taro grows, there's even an area called "Taro Ground". I'm a fan of kava and I know Tahiti has a kava tradition. I asked one of my cousins about kava on the island and they don't know of it growing there. Given that the island was populated previously by Polynesians it's possible there is wild kava growing there somewhere. Next time I go I'm keen to look out for it. It would be interesting to try and cultivate it and make it a crop for sale in the same way Honey, Coffee, etc has become a popular export item.
Haha, thanks! I was surprised to see Pitcairn on HN.
There is one beach area, Down Rope. See this photo:
http://cd.pn/pn2012/#289Not the idyllic sandy beach of most tropical islands though.
Many smaller one-person yachts visit the island, they anchor offshore and get transport to the island via the islanders coming out on the longboat. Yachties stay overnight on their yacht for safety reasons - there have been incidents of them breaking away from their anchor.
I'm definitely biased, I agree. I don't respond to discussions about the trials for a number of reasons. It's a sensitive issue. It brings out the worst in people. Statements like "riddled with sexual abuse" show your biases. I used to respond to such discussions in the past and I've learnt they're mostly filled with people who have a weird fascination with such events and no good comes from engaging. The trials have taken place, people charged, served their time, and the island is moving on. Just like when similar events happen in other places around the world, and then the world moves on, my belief is that the entire island shouldn't be punished for what happened for all eternity.
A few years ago one of the islanders had appendicitis and the island doctor couldn't do anything. They put out a broadcast for ships in the area for help - eventually one was available and went to take him to Managreva, from there to fly to the hospital in Tahiti. Unfortunately he died during the voyage.
Another incident with an islander having a medical issue, a broadcast was put out. There were no ships in the area. The situation was dire so they travelled to Mangareva by island longboat - two days over the open ocean - where he eventually was able to be medivacced to Tahiti.
Remote island life, with no airport, is definitely risky at times.
Yes, everyone on Pitcairn migrated to Norfolk. Later some families moved back to Pitcairn, including mine. The same thing happened in 1831 - everyone migrated to Tahiti. That was disastrous for the islanders though, many died of disease and they returned to Pitcairn eventually. See here for that story
http://www.jps.auckland.ac.nz/document//Volume_68_1959/Volum...
If I recall correctly the supply ship goes a round trip between Pitcairn and Mangareva which means you can get off on Pitcairn and wait for it to come back from Mangareva. I went on a chartered yacht being operated by a Pitcairn based tourist venture. Choices then were to stay for 2 days or 11 days. I stayed for a month due to the charter yacht needing to leave and then return with a department of conservation employee to investigate a rat sighting on Henderson island.
There were many private yachts visiting the island while I was there, coming and staying for a few days then leaving.
Yes, mostly tourist based. There are no taxes.
The Tahitian legends are documented in the book "Ancient Tahiti" by Teuira Henry. "Ancient Tahitian Society" by Douglas Oliver also mentions it. "Vikings of the Sunrise" by Te Rangi Hīroa (Sir Peter Buck) mentions the Mangarevan legends. There's also other accounts around. I first saw it written on a sign at the archaeological remains of an old Marae in Mo'orea.
The histories of Pitcairn are kept alive through cultural studies taught by the islanders to the school kids.