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The entire discourse about "trans in sports" has always been and will always be manufactured panic that is motivated by bigotry.

If one truly cared about (un)fairness in sports there are other issues that you'd address long before you ever even think of trans. So the only actual conclusion one can make is that that the people complaining about this don't actually care about fairness.

Instead, this "issue" only exists to serve as a vector to express bigotry in what they feel is a more socially acceptable way, mostly because they're too cowardly to actually own their bigotry.

The easiest test for this: If you were presented with a way to include transgender people in sports in a perfectly fair manner, would you be in favor of it?

* intentionally cut off the "being told constantly" to lie by omission and hide the fact it's a complaint about a narrative rather than levying accusations of the thing itself

* fails to identify where "crypto scams" or "existential threat" was introduced, which was the entire point

* tells the other person what their own stance actually is

* fedora tipping edgelord sign-off line

Holy fuck I have just been absolutely obliterated in the marketplace of ideas. I concede. Please no more.

"I don't know anything about this, but it's wrong"

HOLY BASED MY FEELINGS DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR FACTS GIGACHAD DETECTED

>here you've jumped from "NFT crypto bros trying to run a scam" to "monsters excited to annihilate the human race," which is a wild leap, and betrays a point of view that seems more driven by anti-AI psychosis than consideration of any evidence.

This would be a great point if I had introduced either the NFT/crypto comparison OR the "existential threat" parameters, but if you read through the thread, you introduced both.

Introducing parameters for the other person, then use those to call them crazy when they operate inside them. Actual DA-tier tactic, my guy. Yikes.

My initial reply was "being told constantly that the apocalypse is coming and your jobs are gone and everything is going to be shitty because a bunch of ultra rich midwits want even more money and there's nothing you can do to stop it."

As in, we are constantly told that everything is going to be shit and there's nothing we can do, because there is a ton of moneyed interest in it.

You're the one that made the leap to "crypto" scamming in the reply and introduced the existential threat aspect. Both in the same comment, actually.

Then apparently tried to crazy-make me for (admittedly dickishly) pointing out that trying to build something that is an existential threat to humanity (your words, their belief, none of my words or belief) is actually worse than crypto scamming (again, both things which you introduced to the thread, btw).

But yeah shame on me for not taking you seriously and providing evidence I guess.

Odd how the bar for me is "providing evidence" but you're happy to outright lie that I was going from crypto scamming and existential threats in order to score a rhetorical point by claiming "AI psychosis" in a useless internet thread. Yeah I must be the unhinged one here, surely.

So to be clear, you're saying that ALL the people that you currently know of who work at these companies believe they are actively working on, in your words, something that "...poses a potential existential threat to humanity"

Oh nevermind I get it. They're only intentionally working on building something that they believe will end humanity. Well as long as it's not intentional crypto-tier scamming, it's all good then.

I'm convinced. Consider my model of reality corrected. Thanks homie.

> genuinely do believe AI poses a potential existential threat to humanity; every single one that I know personally believes that. This has been pointed out hundreds of times, and to simply dismiss it as marketing hype by crypto bros to increase IPO valuations long ago passed into the realm of conspiracy thinking.

"They are not in a thought bubble YOU are in the thought bubble"

I am absolutely BTFO'd, you got me.

> It's so boring rehashing the same old tired and worn out ideas like "they're just hyping the danger to pump their shares up."

Yeah poor you this must be much more tiring than being told constantly that the apocalypse is coming and your jobs are gone and everything is going to be shitty because a bunch of ultra rich midwits want even more money and there's nothing you can do to stop it. Sorry dude, hearing that people don't like that messaging and are replying with copypasta talking points must really be rough for you. Praying for you in these trying times.

Journalism and public media in general needs to be a licensed profession with tangible standards, and malpractice suits should be pursued aggressively.

Would solve a lot of problems in the US, actually. Being financially incentivized to gleefully lie and spread misinformation at the expense of others should not be protected speech.

I shit you not I have been told to "stop trying to understand it, just make sure it works" when mandated to use LLMs at work, like the absurdity of that statement isn't self-evident.

Needless to say I have been looking for a way out of this job (and likely career) ever since.

What's going to happen is people who give a shit are going to get filtered and self-select out of the job, and then the entire field is going to be dominated by dunning kruger AI maximalists. The "AI will replace engineers" is true, but for an entirely different reason and entirely different way than most people making that argument think.

I sense that most normal people don't want any of this in our day to day lives, but we will all be AI-raped by this moronic death cult anyway.

I assume this is like Theranos until proven otherwise.

But hey if not, actually cool.

Nice to know our options (at least according to this perspective) are either our current state of cronyism or being completely at the mercy of machines (ie: likely extinction).

This timeline is straight ass.

Very cool and congrats! Super huge undertaking to ship a game.

Any dev(b)logs for it? Always curious how these games handle multiplayer and what engines/stack they use.

>No one seems to be contradicting anything he's saying here

So the exact same thing PG is guilty of in the article?

He disagrees with the opposing statement, gives a lazy counterexample with 0 evidence that introduces at least two major assumptions that do the the entirety of the work for his "argument", and then takes another few paragraphs to effectively say "just grow exponentially, bro".

There's nothing to push back against except vague hand-wavey nonsense. PG is washed and the level of discourse in the thread matches the quality bar of his post, so I'd say it's pretty appropriate.

I do not care.

Either deliver on your fuckass promise to end the world and replace everyone and make everything shitty forever or fuck off.

Shit or get off the pot already, clowns.

I get this is just another speculative opinion piece and nobody really knows what is going to happen, but I kind of wish shit would either happen or not already.

I'm absolutely fucking exhausted from this bullshit discourse after almost 4 years of it at this point.

These AI companies need to stop bloviating and administering verbal self-fellatio and either replace everyone or fuck off already. I don't even care which it is anymore, I just want to be done with this hype cycle and move on with my life/career.

Least out of touch HN user

Why is it a mistake to value determinism, or in your words "focus on" it?

Why is this alternative better?

Never really understood this comparison, as it always felt intentionally obtuse to me, but thanks for replying, friend!

> Literally nothing is stopping you

What about the threat of unemployment due to not meeting AI usage/output metrics? I've personally found it has effectively coerced me to stop trying to understand pretty much anything, and instead just send out whatever passes basic test to "keep up".

Unless you want to just play bad-faith word games and say that "technically it's still not stopping you" in which case yeah man you got me good job buddy.

>master the tools

Except the entire value proposition of these tools is that there is no skill or mastery to be built.

The entire slop factory workflow, or sorry I mean "AI-native" workflow is:

"Woah, I cajoled a chatbot into building something I don't understand at all, I'm so good at my job!"

It's the participation trophy of building. Something else builds it, I take credit for it despite not understanding much about about it. There's no compounding return on my effort. No lessons learned. No understanding built. No insights gleaned for possible future innovation. No differentiation. Just mind-numbingly screaming into a void until the slot machine shits out some slop amalgam that seems "good enough", and then I do it all again the next day.

If that's the game, count me out. It's nice that others apparently enjoy it, I guess. But to think there's any sort of mastery here is delusion. The only requirement to be "successful" with these tools is to stop giving a shit and surrender to it.

Yes.

I don't want my life savings tightly coupled to a young and hyped up technology which is currently being wielded in the most antisocial way possible.

Simple as.

More like anti mindless hype and braindead evangelism.

But the AI hypebeasts are incapable of differentiating that from an anti-AI stance.

> I understand this probably does not work if you're on some subscription and not using the API (tokens burn fast), but this has been extremely productive for me.

Do you have infinite money?

What if is, and always was, having people with no discernible skills or expertise being in charge of filling the hiring pipeline?

I dunno, making a "feature" that provides dubious-at-best value in hopes that potential buyers are currently so blinded by the hype they'll fall for a wider range of bullshit than normal so I can slip one by them and leave them holding the bag while I ride off into the sunset with millions seems like it could be pretty accurately described as a scam.

I guess people can dress it up as business savvy and market timing or whatever pretentious lingo they want to make themselves feel better about it, but it's really just scamming by another name.

But we're in the Scam/Grift Economy now anyway so I guess everyone is trying to get theirs while they still can, and I guess that's what we're seeing.

It's funny how many of the startup-pilled HN crowd have completely abandoned the widely accepted principles like "solve a real problem" or "make something people want" in favor of solution-first thinking "how can I shove AI into something" which was always looked down upon.

This industry has lost its collective mind with this hype cycle. I'm not even against the technology, but this is all just shockingly reckless.

Yes. Definitely.

I didn't necessarily know everything about my code at all times before.

And that justifies my gleeful embrace of not knowing anything about my code now.

Yeah surely the workers will be the ones reaping the downstream benefits of it right... right?

Anakin stare

Unelected cronies arbitrarily slash and burn programs that are supposed to require congressional approval (aka representatives of the people) to enact and remove, likely resulting in millions of preventable deaths:

"Tee hee he just made a silly oopsie poopsie just like me when I take down prod for a few minutes"