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Re:Flattr 2.0 launches to the public on Friday October 27, 2017 @08:20AM (#15567615)
Yes, like me.
Re:Flattr 2.0 launches to the public on Thursday October 26, 2017 @01:03PM (#15560817)
There is nothing like that in our extension, feel free to check the code =)
Re:Flattr 2.0 launches to the public on Thursday October 26, 2017 @01:03PM (#15560810)
Yes, now it's a subscription service.
Re:Flattr 2.0 launches to the public on Thursday October 26, 2017 @01:02PM (#15560806)
Nope, not possible on any content site (eg youtube) and it also needs the site to add it.

Neither would it give us enough data to create what we have done. The algorithm in the extension is smarter about what it flattrs than a cookie could ever be. And more privacy friendly too.

Re:Flattr 2.0 launches to the public on Thursday October 26, 2017 @12:59PM (#15560753)
You hit the head on the nail, but from the wrong angle ;)

That what you liked was actually exactly why we failed so far.

1. Users needed to do a conscious choice, clicking the button. Our research and data showed that was not what people wanted or did.

2. The button was to hard to add to a site and also visible and promoted a brand etc. All things publishers don't want. Besides the button does not work on any social network or content platform. The new solution works anywhere and is when it's hardest to use adding a meta-tag.

The new solution is a "fire and forget" solution. You set it up ones and then it just work. For both contributors and creators/publishers.

Re:Flattr 2.0 launches to the public on Thursday October 26, 2017 @12:52PM (#15560667)
Nope, Patreon focuses on person and fame, and is one to one payments. We focus on content and divides your money to any number of creators.
Re:Flattr 2.0 launches to the public on Thursday October 26, 2017 @12:50PM (#15560657)
4. North Korea
Re:Flattr 2.0 launches to the public on Thursday October 26, 2017 @12:50PM (#15560650)
Absolutely the opposite!

We keep all your private data on your device where the algorithm runs and makes decisions on what to flattr. Instead of sending it all to us and then do the same on our servers. This is very conscious choice to make the service privacy friendly.

Re:Flattr 2.0 launches to the public on Thursday October 26, 2017 @12:47PM (#15560610)
Yes, this is correct. In general payment providers has these set of rules/policies, that because the large institutions like Visa, Mastercard and banks does not accept these areas of payments.
Re:Flattr 2.0 launches to the public on Thursday October 26, 2017 @12:44PM (#15560563)
Ok, that is not really what happened. But it's a too long story for a HN comment ;)
Re:Flattr 2.0 launches to the public on Thursday October 26, 2017 @12:40PM (#15560510)
Ah, true. The reason the blog is on .net is for security reasons. We don't want to have a WP blog (with all it's flaws) on a domain that should be trusted by our own system.

That said, a FW from .net to .com seems logical, and a link to the site too, hehe.

Re:Flattr 2.0 launches to the public on Thursday October 26, 2017 @12:38PM (#15560460)
The extension is how we can make the solution without any need for integration into sites (and services) and without any effort for the contributor. This is what we learned during the years to be needed for this to work on scale.

(The change history is included in the history access scope in Chrome.)

Re:Flattr 2.0 launches to the public on Thursday October 26, 2017 @12:35PM (#15560432)
:( yeah, things took way longer than we wanted. It always does.
Re:Flattr 2.0 launches to the public on Thursday October 26, 2017 @12:29PM (#15560376)
There is no way of just paying eyeo to get your ads through the system. If you confirm to the acceptable ads standard your ads can be classified as that and visible to the people that has not chosen to block those too.

For the huge sites, a cut of the ad revenue is taken, more or less as for any other ad network/service really. The full info is here https://acceptableads.com

Re:Flattr 2.0 launches to the public on Thursday October 26, 2017 @12:21PM (#15560292)
In reality it's the opposite and that is why we join their boat. There is no company that tries to fix the internet in the profound way eyeo does. They care about all the things most internet companies does not. The reputation they got are based on stories created by the ad industry, and yes, obviously they hate eyeo.
Re:Flattr 2.0 launches to the public on Thursday October 26, 2017 @12:18PM (#15560264)
Pretty good summary!

We have tried to be as thorough as we could with what data the extension saves in local storage, even with the first release. There are always improvements that can be done and will be done.

We are going to add to the blacklist to not send things like twitter settings or wp dashboards etc.

Youtube is a bug that sneaked in just before release, in reality the UI does not reflect that youtube is supported and used. It's being addressed right now.

Re:Flattr 2.0 launches to the public on Thursday October 26, 2017 @12:07PM (#15560155)
The extension uses a lot of data points (including your browser history) to decide what to flattr. But we never get the full data, the algorithm runs in the browser and only the results (the flattrs) are sent to us. This is the most privacy friendly solution possible that still gives enough data for us to know who should get the money and for you to know what you flattred. As well as for creators and publishers to know what content actually generated the money.
Re:Flattr 2.0 launches to the public on Thursday October 26, 2017 @11:59AM (#15560079)
Stripe charges 2.9% + 30¢. So on $3 that would be 0.387 cents that is 12.9% fee.
Re:Flattr 2.0 launches to the public on Thursday October 26, 2017 @11:54AM (#15560028)
Not really, you can flattr others with it, but that is more because it would be strange if you could not do it.
Re:Flattr 2.0 launches to the public on Thursday October 26, 2017 @11:53AM (#15560014)
Hi, I'm Linus co-founder of Flattr. Will try and answer any questions you might have!
Re:Insane state of today's advertising part 3 on Friday September 01, 2017 @06:41AM (#15147375)
Exactly, you can not ask people to "care" and make "informed decisions" around tiny amounts. Then they will just skip it.
Re:Insane state of today's advertising part 3 on Friday September 01, 2017 @06:35AM (#15147356)
Not really, Flattr distributes your subscription automatically between the content and sites you engage with. Without the need of user interaction.
Re:Insane state of today's advertising part 3 on Friday September 01, 2017 @06:16AM (#15147279)
Yes, everything flattred is visible for you on your dashboard.

But not all data or everything you visited etc, as that is a to high of a privacy invasion.

Re:Insane state of today's advertising part 3 on Friday September 01, 2017 @03:45AM (#15146846)
Sure, drop me an mail at linus at flattr
Re:Insane state of today's advertising part 3 on Friday September 01, 2017 @02:44AM (#15146636)
I co-founded Flattr and one of the things we learned is that even a one-click is to much effort. So we now have a zero-click solution that measures attention and visits in your browser locally (as Archon810 wrote.) and then your monthly subscription is distributed based on that. Happy to answer anything and or give an invite.