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Re:S.&P. Says Argentina Has Defaulted on Friday August 01, 2014 @04:34AM (#8118833)
Right, it makes more sense in the world of a 'backed dollar'.

As it is, it is a debt to repay $1 for each $1 bill. You might well ask, $1 of what? Since the government doesn't produce anything, it is a strange kind of debt.

$1 of tax-forgiveness is one answer. $1 of whatever our citizens produce is another answer. This 2nd answer is the reason why the demise of the dollar as the world currency (aka wealth reserve function) could lead to hyperinflation in the USA as all those foreign-held dollars come flooding back, looking for something domestic to buy.

As long as the dollar is legal tender within the USA, foreign "creditors" (in the sense used in the above comments) can always get something back (however debased in value).

If like Brazil and Argentina, the USA defaults and creates a new currency (it'll never happen, right?) then good luck to all the drug-dealers of the world trying to cash in their old greenbacks.

<edit: phrasing!>

Re:The Fair Price of a Bitcoin is Zero on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @10:04PM (#6852421)
Jews and Gentiles in Moldbug's terminology.
Re:The Fair Price of a Bitcoin is Zero on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @09:50PM (#6852377)
you are referring to monetization of debt. monetization per se is the process of becoming a money. Mises is a good read.

> (which isn't just _a_ marketable commodity.)

You got that right. It's _the_ marketable commodity.

> What is that even supposed to mean?

A melt-up is the opposite of a melt-down.

Re:The Fair Price of a Bitcoin is Zero on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @03:10AM (#6845643)
a) the treasury would take seignorage.

b) money is a free-market good as in your example above. all the government was doing was weights and measures standardization.

c) only fiat (paper) money is a liability of the government because the original deal (FRNs) was that the notes would be exchanged for coin. That is why the note says promise to pay the bearer a dollar (which is a denomination of weight of silver or gold).

Re:The Fair Price of a Bitcoin is Zero on Tuesday December 03, 2013 @11:02PM (#6844970)
\o/ this guy gets it!
Re:The Fair Price of a Bitcoin is Zero on Tuesday December 03, 2013 @11:01PM (#6844968)
The process of rapidly becoming a marketable commodity is called monetization.

Bitcoin is in a hypermonetization melt-up phase.

Re:The Fair Price of a Bitcoin is Zero on Tuesday December 03, 2013 @10:57PM (#6844955)
... on HN
Re:The Fair Price of a Bitcoin is Zero on Tuesday December 03, 2013 @10:56PM (#6844954)
This is how they deal with their cognitive dissonance.

http://www.amazon.com/Mistakes-Were-Made-But-Not/dp/01560339...

Re:The Fair Price of a Bitcoin is Zero on Tuesday December 03, 2013 @10:55PM (#6844947)
Scientific theories are falsifiable: they make testable predictions.

Austrian Economic theory comes closest to this ideal.

Re:A Prediction: Bitcoin Is Doomed to Fail on Thursday November 28, 2013 @07:36AM (#6814268)
Wait, you can't use logic when it comes to money!

What are you, Satoshi Nakamoto?

Re:A Prediction: Bitcoin Is Doomed to Fail on Thursday November 28, 2013 @07:35AM (#6814266)
I tried doing this on MtGox with a buy limit price of 1$. I didn't get any bitcoin :(

I do have a friend with 900btc though: I told him I was in the market for a dollar, and he just gave it to me, no questions asked. I wonder where he got it from?

Re:A Prediction: Bitcoin Is Doomed to Fail on Thursday November 28, 2013 @07:32AM (#6814259)
Has bitcoin?
Re:A Prediction: Bitcoin Is Doomed to Fail on Thursday November 28, 2013 @07:26AM (#6814244)
There are indeed people at this stage.
Re:China and the soaring price of Bitcoin on Wednesday November 27, 2013 @01:17AM (#6806756)
You own it only while you remember the password. Gold won't just disappear one day though your memory might.
Re:I Am Not Satoshi on Tuesday November 26, 2013 @11:54PM (#6806490)
Yes indeed. The first time they actually scraped the blockchain.info website, this time they've finally figured out that the blockchain is public and parsed a local blockchain.dat

The New World is built on the results of that generation of cryptographers, but they can't keep up.

Re:I Am Not Satoshi on Tuesday November 26, 2013 @11:52PM (#6806485)
I think the parent poster meant that the witch hunts in the 21st century related to bitcoin only grow trust in the bitcoin community that witchhunts are destined to fail.

More people see that having financial privacy is a good thing, and trust in bitcoin grows.

> Why? Because the forced deflation is a Dick Move of epic proportions: favoring early adopters for no good reason.

No good reason? Does there have to be one?

If the protocol succeeds despite your assertion that there is no good reason to favor early adopters, will you change your mind that the reason was immaterial?

http://paste.lisp.org/+307S