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I laughed

They sold it under the condition he wouldn't lie, it was a condition for him to have it, and he lied

Yes but the original founders did that. Zuckerberg took it from them and immediately lied about data sharing, there's a reason why the founders left in disgust

The problem with Facebook's products always comes down to one overriding fact, Zuckerberg's desire to win over everybody else; he's constantly been accused of stealing from people, it's not a surprise everything he owns is either extremely coercive or broken from a technical standpoint

*Facebook

Sure, network effects are hard to overcome; my point is that Zuckerberg bought it as a competition killing move so they're not likely to put any quality control into it

But why would anyone use Whatsapp after the Onavo stuff?

I think people are missing the point when they call Metaverse a 'misstep' because it implies Zuckerberg was a good actor who just happened to get this one thing wrong... if you look through his history of things like forced Whatsapp sharing (plus Onavo), Free Basics, all of the shitty things the company does... the Metaverse was never a good faith effort and people need to understand that; newsflash, he's not a shining example of what a good person is

(And the whole stealing Facebook from other people in the first place, anyway)

My first impression of this is literally "So, maybe a good idea, but isn't this Zuckerberg just copying yet another person like he's always done forever?"

He's not high, he's been treating people like contempt ever since Harvard, this isn't new

Forcing a mandatory Facebook account is "doing an ok job"...?

Lots of suspiciously downvoted comments here.

The thing is, I wouldn't want to use Whatsapp considering how Facebook got it: spy on people with Onavo and then basically pressure the original founders out of the company, and then do stuff like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25662215... that doesn't sound like stewards I'd trust

And I bet if it was only Apple's iOS changes they would be fine, but that combined with Zuck's Metaverse obsession is dragging them under

But given his history of acquiring the product he has no right to talk; what he did is blatantly criminal

lol. Zuck, you spied on people with Onavo and kicked Acton and Koum out of the company, you have no moral standing whatsoever

A lot of websites are like this for products, it makes it really tedious to navigate

Is this Moxie's decision?

Google has a lot of failures of their own but they seem at least semi-committed to an open internet (with actual ethical standards), something I can't exactly say for Zuckerberg

And yet Meta was involved with things like Free Basics, or forcing the Oculus account with a bait and switch, and repeatedly lying about Whatsapp - but I'm sure this Instagram thing is much worse, somehow

Yeah, but specifically Zuckerberg. He's never cared about other people

I'm seeing a few posts here that basically they have to do this because it's an ad service, it's for shareholders, etc. When are we going to blame Zuck and his unique brand of dishonesty and lying to everyone? They've misled their own investors and advertisers, at what point do we stop saying "with anyone else at the helm it would be the same" and recognize his character issues?

Or legally required to provide a chronological feed, which even logged-in users don't get

Incentive? How about "don't be monopolistic assholes"?

Take down some of the most egregious pages and disinformation? No, we (Facebook/Meta) will waste our time shutting down anything remotely challenging to our monstrosity we're trying to conquer the world with (see also: shutting down the NYU Ad Observatory, or any countless other examples)

It's really simple. All Zuckerberg has to do is drop the "dominate everyone" facade. But I think he's incapable of doing that

> unless someone figures out how to do it with e-mail, which is basically the only other thing that everyone also has

Which they've also hijacked... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4151433

They don't even care about their advertisers, they knowingly perpetrate click fraud (and lying about video metrics). They don't care. Because Zuck doesn't care, he has contempt for everybody, advertisers and users alike

I have nothing to add to this comment other than to say your dog is very cute

I agree with you. For most people 'just don't use it' simply is not an option. We just have to hope Mark Zuckerberg gets removed or the proper regulation gets introduced to make the platform better