andyfingerhut

I saw someone else post a link to this same video and they said that this talk was given at the JVM Language Summit 2012.

https://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/community/jvm...

Does anyone know where/when this talk was given? It looks fairly similar to another one Rich Hickey gave at QCon 2012 on Datomic, with a transcript and link to video for that talk available here: https://github.com/matthiasn/talk-transcripts/blob/master/Hi... but note that the slides and talk are not identical to that one, and that recording is missing a few minutes at the beginning.

A somewhat nicer transcript here: https://github.com/matthiasn/talk-transcripts/blob/master/Hi...

plus a bunch more Rich Hickey talk transcripts in the same repository, with links to videos if you prefer, in that same Github repo.

To each their own, but in answer to your question "why would anyone in their right might settle for that?", where I am guessing you meant "right mind", one reason is because of the huge collection of Java libraries (and libraries written in other languages that run on the JVM) that can be easily called from Clojure. There are also some software deployment environments where the code must run on the JVM, or it is not considered for deployment, and Clojure can play well there.

Clojure on the JVM starts up in about a second with only the core Clojure code included. It can definitely take in the tens of seconds to read/compile-to-JVM-byte-code step for larger code bases that are not precompiled from source, but for long-running server processes, many people consider that a blip compared to VM startup times.

Of course that _is_ an issue for quick-running command line tools, and most people therefore don't use Clojure on the JVM for those purposes. Many _do_ use ClojureScript running on a JavaScript engine like node for such things, because its startup time is lower.

If you want to send Rich a little bit of money, and get some swag, you can buy it here: https://clojure.org/community/swag

The far more important and long-reaching gestures would be: expressions of thanks, and standing up for creators whenever unwarranted demands are made upon them.

"which is why Rich Hickey would even take the time to tell someone that they aren't worth the time of the very response they're reading"

I think you are misrepresenting what Rich wrote. He said you are not "entitled" to a response. That is not an evaluation of someone's worth, but a statement about what they are owed, or not owed.