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Quite agree, but it also seems like that won't change for many years. This is why the campaign to get service providers like cloudflare to drop hate and terror sites is the only real solution for the short term. Now that cloudflare has declared that they will keep providing services to the hate and terror sites (and the sites that attack them, remember), its an open question what will happen next.

Swatting is illegal, users of the site are doing the swatting, and KF simply pretends they aren't. They aren't arrested because the reason they use swatting is so they can't be tracked and thrown in jail themselves.

Meanwhile people's lives are ruined, their friends and family contacted, harassed, and they live in terror of people who congregate, anonymously, on that site, which is hosted out in the open with large corporations providing them services. A donation to the trevor project does nothing to protect those people, it just tells them their lives are expendable and they'll try to save someone else's.

Something must be done to stop them. I haven't heard any legal arguments for what could be done to stop them - one is told simply "you can't fight back, and you can't protect yourself, legally". When people are told that, they take more drastic measures, because the system that exists won't protect them.

Honestly a good proposal I've heard is to at minimum shut down SWATTing or add consequences and tracking of the requestor. Police being able to be consistently deployed on a ruse is, to me, insane.

The current push for cloudflare to unlist kiwifarms is in response to a well known twitch streamer's attempted killing via swatting. They literally had to leave the country (canada), and the new address was found, and they were swatted again.

https://globalnews.ca/news/9097654/twitch-streamer-and-trans...

Their "nastiness" (suggestion: terrorism) is never self contained. I know several people who've been doxxed on there - every single person had to move and change their legal name. If a thread on someone in KF is active, they will find every member of your family, your workplace, friends and loved ones. Then if they find your friends are "degenerates", they will doxx them too, and all their family workplace friends and loved ones.

The fucking point of the site is harassment - they post ADDRESSES and PHONE NUMBERS, why would those ever be allowed if it was supposed to be self-contained?

Here is the how the southern poverty law center describes Kiwifarms:

> KiwiFarms – a forum with roots in 4Chan culture that has become notorious for engaging in extreme trolling, harassment, and even stalking

Source: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/grou...

Throwaway because its not safe to post on my primary account about them while kiwifarms is allowed to operate.