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Re:Twitter confirms Twitter Blue on Friday May 28, 2021 @04:42PM (#27320230)
The cruelty I'm talking about is not individual posters hurting each other. It's how we talk about people who are not here, who can't be here. How we judge the poor and dispossessed, uneducated, addicted and marginalized. People pushed aside and hurt by inequality that WE build in our work and then come here to virtuously discuss.

Can you honestly go look through the comments of any post touching any of those issues and call them kind? It's one thing to say it's out of scope for moderation because they keep it civil and calm. But to say the cruelty isn't there is to choose not to see it.

Re:Twitter confirms Twitter Blue on Friday May 28, 2021 @01:51PM (#27318433)
Look I just really disagree sorry. The flavor is different but the beneath it's the same stuff.

You can pretty much be as cruel as you want on HN as long as you don't swear or call people names too much.

You can find joy on here sure but it's despite the culture here not because of it.

Re:Twitter confirms Twitter Blue on Friday May 28, 2021 @12:30PM (#27317418)
It's also very very funny to me the general tone of self-congratulatory nonparticipation all over this comment section about how superior we all are for not using social media or twitter or whatever.

HN is social media too! I've heard the arguments why it's not but they aren't compelling to me; it is one. The main difference between here and twitter is the tone.

On here there is a cultural expectation that you will perform dispassionate erudition but if you read beyond that at all very few comments are any more intellectually stimulating than an average tweet. Less, honestly, at least people on twitter still seem to value joy and humor and whimsy.

If I mention a sea lion do you understand what I'm talking about?
I was trying to be nice.
So a lot of this is wrong but irrelevant to this so I won't touch it.

The main thing you seem to be missing though is that the subreddit is not meant to be a neutral ground for people to compare and discuss ideas.

It's a place to get concrete, consensus- and literature-based answers from people with real experience and practice at history. Having people in the comments presenting ahistorical information entirely outside of scholarly consensus only detracts from that goal.

So even if you consider this _only_ a power-vs-speech thing, there's still a strong argument that moderation is the correct step. When conversations detract from the stated purpose of the community they are restricted. Same as right here actually.

Yeah there's a thing for a while now in the US where we like to talk about "judeo-christian" values or roots or whatever. I've never really understood it except as a way to exclude islam which I really believe is all it is.

Parts of the white evangelicals going hard into it is weird but not completely out of nowhere I guess.

BUT! Anyway the "judeo-christian" thing is just a rhetorical move. I think overall Americans are very ignorant of judaism and think it's a lot more similar to christianity than it is but no one thinks they're the same religion. Uninformed but not likely to mix the two up like this.

Re:Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @02:04PM (#25837290)
idk how to tell you this in a way you'll listen to but doing things for good reasons is good and doing them for bad reasons is bad.