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> This is the same person who attempted to extort Hack Club out of thousands by using an airtable token they previously had (all tokens have since been examined as to whether they are truly necessary).

I could be wrong, but I don't think that was OP.

> Popular request is for the program to be expanded. I don't know about the "resounding no".

Do a poll then. I for one agree with that and don't think that most people would report it.

> > teenagers are positioned as "independent contractors" to avoid employment protections, holiday pay, and wage floors. this isn't "scrappy nonprofit" energy - it's child exploitation dressed up as opportunity. > > It isn't a full-time job.

It quite literally is?

> Recently, email sending has been revamped, and there are tools to subscribe to individual mailing lists.

That I'll give you. They did recently revamp that and make it be functional.

> Criticism isn't ever censored - there's anonymous reporting, a public forum channel for feedback (which only has temporary threadlocks upon very inflammatory or irrelevant discussion), and you can discuss it anywhere else within the Slack.

Not true. Thread locks are often for 6 months to a year and the posts often aren't even inflammatory, just anti-HQ.

If you do want to actually talk more, contact me on my alt at https://hackclub.slack.com/team/U09Q734PGUU.

> If I remember correctly, she admitted that her ban was justified. But also, she didn't just do "some bad stuff", she did a lot of it - there's even a recent #meta thread referencing this exact post.

I think I've read through the #meta post you're referencing and commented in it and yeah, but it still wasn't a spree. It was not a lot of it? cite your sources as well

> > That's good but again, make an announcement in hackclub? > Zach did.

Where?

> I'm more inclined to trust Chris than an anon account that straight up denies that internal conversations happened. You also seem to be regurgitating posts from earlier without seeing Chris's context.

Well yeah, I'm on a throw away as I don't want to be deanon'd. If you really want to talk contact https://hackclub.slack.com/team/U09Q734PGUU, it's an alt I have. Where did I deny internal conversations as well? And wdym regurgitating posts without Chris' context? I literally broke his reply down point-by-point?

Orpheus engine is publicly available at https://github.com/hackclub/orpheus-engine.

By the way, orpheus engine is available publicly at https://github.com/hackclub/orpheus-engine.

As a longtime member of hackclub, I can confirm that while OP may have been banned, most of her points are completely valid and I can find most of the original sources for them. Point-by-point:

> - We take vulns seriously—especially the serious ones! It was fixed immediately by a senior engineer upon report (within a day?)

What? From the many, many #meta posts and other sources I cannot back this up.

> - The author was ultimately banned from the community not for their opinions on this matter, but because of a long streak of unrelated conduct issues that culminated in a spree of saying horribly abusive things to multiple other members of the community.

OP did say some bad stuff, but it wasn't a spree and was an isolated incident. I don't agree with her actions, but I see where she was coming from: she didn't feel heard and just wanted to get back at people she saw as having wronged her. She definitely shouldn't have done what she did but it was an isolated incident or two.

> — They have been pursuing a grudge against the organization ever since. They are not a reliable narrator, this post is a fantasy version of events that casts them as a martyred hero.

You'll note that in the article that isn't what she portrays herself as and she explicitly bookends the article with paragraphs of text praising the mission and all of the good hackclub has done. Which is it, is she rightfully praising the organization but rightfully getting angry about it or is she wrongfully praising the organization and wrongfully getting angry?

> Nonetheless, privacy/security is something we think about and invest extensively in.

Based on HQ's HCB, #meta, posts in #hq, and more this is not true in the slightest.

> In the past year we have started an organization-wide bounty system, moved all PII storage into a central "identity vault" Bounties were addressed in the article and last thing I heard PII is still massively distributed. If that isn't the case anymore, please actually make a post about it so the community is aware?

> consulted extensively with a very fancy lawyer who specializes in corporate compliance with the growing raft of online privacy laws around the world

That's good but again, make an announcement in hackclub?

> The good news is, according to that lawyer we already do almost everything we need to be compliant; we just need to publish a privacy policy!

The fuck?? No?? if this has happened in the last year, how angry has your lawyer about the numerous vulnerabilities that were pushed, not notified, underpaid bounties, and more? Oh, and don't forget you TAKING DOWN THE GDPR EMAIL AND NOT DELETING DATA??

> We are actively iterating on a mostly-finished draft of this document with our counsel, but it is taking time because, well, this stuff is very complicated.

I can definitely understand that. I really love hackclub and think the mission is amazing but at the moment I don't feel safe with my data in its hands.