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Re:Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive on Friday June 12, 2026 @03:17AM (#48500883)
A better way of putting this is that you do not actually understand or care about the risks of the technologies you are pushing.

We can look at what a ZDR means, or we can look at what a ZDR does not mean, which is like all files and what that means for... do you actually care?

As a human being, do you, Simon Wilson, give a shit about another human being besides yourself?

Do you have any thing that matters besides something that rides a bike?

Or is your excuse that technology is going to technology.

Then some of us are going to call you out for being complicit. You can be mad about your complicity, doesn't change your complicity.

Re:Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive on Friday June 12, 2026 @02:45AM (#48500676)
What you are saying is bullshit and what you are saying when it comes to the unit cost per token is based off of pro-athropic or OAI.

Nothing you are saying, outside of what you are doing for OAI or Anthropic is true or trustworthy.

You, as a human being, are a propagandist for AI.

Do you question for what I think about you or the objectivity, or lack there of, for you are, your pelican riding a bicycle, and what that means for every one else besides you?

Also, when it comes to tokens, who's tokens? You tokens, you paying for that shit?

Is it worth it?

Re:Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive on Friday June 12, 2026 @01:50AM (#48500396)
That is not how enterprise pricing works. Not everything gets the same API model, because not everyone has the same unit economics. But lets make the sane underlying assumptions, does your business work?
Re:Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive on Friday June 12, 2026 @01:45AM (#48500376)
Just did so, lets see what you did to touch grass.
Re:Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive on Friday June 12, 2026 @01:44AM (#48500368)
>I think higher prices are very unlikely. Do you think I'm wrong about that?

Yes, I don't think you are objective, nor do I think you care about objectivity, you care about what confirms your prirors and you have issues dealing with anything past that.

Because, frankly, you do not have the ability to assess anything associated with AI. You are biased towards... and you manufactur.... but past that cool, we disagree. But 100% of who you are is supporting Anthroptic and you cannot take all of your effort to tell people why that might be wrong because...

Re:Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive on Friday June 12, 2026 @12:58AM (#48500098)
That should be a pricing model that we all have access to. You are more than able to provide that pricing model.

Being litigious, assumes that I have taken legal action, which I have not, so be better with your words.

Re:Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive on Friday June 12, 2026 @12:52AM (#48500065)
Can you prove that a single contract is paid via that rate?

Like, the token rate assumes the rate that you assert and not whats actually paid.

Do you have proof that your rate is the same from anyone else?

Your bias is that there is no idea of enterprise pricing, that you, Simon Wilson is the experience that anyone experiences, and what that is, that your experience is anything that should be validated.

Re:Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive on Friday June 12, 2026 @12:15AM (#48499847)
Which claim is Simon talking about? And how does that validate what Simon is talking about?

Like we can talk about thing as they are, given the incentive structures that may or may not exist, but lets not like all of this is abstract or impartial.

You are not not someone who is commenting from a source of objective truth. Nor are you looking at every contract that is singed and has some type of insight.

Regardless of if you are being paid or not, you have a bias. And that bias isn't called out nor is it something that you deal with as to the results that you see.

Or you do...

Just be honest.

Re:Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive on Friday June 12, 2026 @12:04AM (#48499787)
To you, if you have specific issues with what I said, I would love to address them, rather than assuming that Simon is always right. Cause let me tell you...
Re:Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive on Thursday June 11, 2026 @11:50PM (#48499707)
Simon can you show that? Like, do you have proof?

>You can chose to trust me or not based on my track record.

Mind you, when people challenge you here, you ask for the same thing, like you ask them for public proof.

Why do you have a different standard when its asked of you? If you have asked for others for proof, provide it.

You have made the claim, support it.

Re:Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive on Thursday June 11, 2026 @11:36PM (#48499640)
Do you know what an enterprise is?

Are you an enterprise?

Do you know what enterprise pricing is for these models and the associated legalese around the models?

Is your experience the same as an enterprise?

How can anyone take what you, as a person, be the same as a business, both for pricing or compliance or governance or anything else?

And why should we trust you for if we are a business who might want to do any business with Anthropic?

Re:Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive on Thursday June 11, 2026 @11:28PM (#48499586)
List price is not paid price and, as Anthropic has shown, initial list price is going to rise.

Do you have pricing, paid by businesses, plesae provide the contracts that prove you assertion that this pricing holds true, or are we supposed to believe you?

Re:Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive on Thursday June 11, 2026 @11:23PM (#48499552)
How do we know that your pricing or results are normative, given the incentive that any frontier model to juice the pricing/results?
There is a difference between being able to validate a Windows license and copying Windows from source code.

If we are talking about distillation vs building from scratch, none of these are congruent to Windows. I can build my own LLM [0] and then distill off of Claude, but that is not the same as a 1:1 copy of an operating system because there was the ability to crack how licensing works. We are not seeing Windows clones, at the source level, for that reason.

Also, Linux exists. Anyone can copy that. Why doesn't that count?

[0] https://huggingface.co/docs/transformers/quicktour

Have you copied Windows and tried to run it? I would love to see the plain text source code that you claim to have. We all would.
Re:Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive on Thursday June 11, 2026 @10:21PM (#48499099)
This one of the places to manufacture the consent for that to take place, because we are commenting within an organization that has given the money to ensure it that what could be is done. Most people clapped and made money, who cares what happens next, making money is the only good that matters.
That might be an indication that the business is not sustainable because there is not any technical or practical differentiator besides scale. Harming your customers to maintain that differentiation isn't sustainable either.
Its not just about the quality of output, but you also can finetune them to proprietary needs, if the skillsets are their internally, to make them better without governance risks. So being SOTA doesn't matter as much, since generalized tasks are not what matter most to companies, its the specialization relative to business need or internal datasets.
Re:Claude for Small Business on Thursday May 14, 2026 @12:17PM (#48137522)
I get that you lack the intellectual capability and capacity to make the point yourself, which is why you refer to others without linking, to make the point on your own, its ok. I also understand that your own internal bias and lack of actual ownership/responsibility/liability, which might be tied to the intellectual deficiencies noted up top, to understand the danger of executives/leaders shipping applications given their access to information.

But you are totally free to build a company where there is no oppressive corporate IT, where there is always an incentive to innovate and grow, you can build that future.

The reason why that will not happen might be contained within the first ten words of the first sentence of my first paragraph, but you can prove me wrong. Let me be your motivation! Your dream should be your reality!

Re:Claude for Small Business on Thursday May 14, 2026 @11:48AM (#48137156)
'Move fast and break things' has been a core ethos for so long that many have forgotten that moving and breaking without an end or a point just leads to a lot wreckage and nothing to show from it, since someone else moves fast and breaks what you just did.

No one is asking why we are doing all of this, just some vague hand waving that it is inevitable, predetermined, as if we are not taking actions that are leading to these outcomes, that we do not have agency. But if we all tell ourselves that the future is predetermined, that this was always going to happen, then we do not have to own the outcomes.

For alot of people who preached radical ownership within the product, they are not willing to take radical ownership of the product externally besides profit.

Re:Claude for Small Business on Thursday May 14, 2026 @11:17AM (#48136710)
I know. I don't expect them to come up with anything, but its fun to see how far they will backtrack/change the goalposts and how much they will tie themselves into knots to try and justify their lack of integrity.
Re:Claude for Small Business on Thursday May 14, 2026 @11:13AM (#48136635)
So we have moved the goalposts to this point.

I am sorry you feel this way, it does not change the facts of whats being discussed, its just that you disagree and you lacked the initial courage or intellectual capabilities to express that constructively, so you had to obfuscate through providing nothing of value to the discussion via low value comments. I get that YOU don't think something, but just because YOU feel something doesn't make it valid, grounded in reason, or should be listened too.

Have a great rest of your day and weekend!

Re:Claude for Small Business on Thursday May 14, 2026 @10:38AM (#48136087)
I have already addressed this elsewhere. [0]

The call to HIPAA wasn't about PII, it was about knowledge around standards and regulations such as HIPAA when it comes to application/information/network security is just baked in. Which is why the passivity around the statement made no sense given the risks/obligations/liability associated with vibe coding applications at the executive level, which someone who's company deals with HIPAA should understand and appreciate.

Never have I said that, and please quote me word-for-word otherwise, what I said applied to "very executive/ leader at my place of business who does nothing except work with PII data all day", that is a windmill you created yourself.

You can keep tilting at the windmill.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=Ucalegon#48133230

Re:Claude for Small Business on Thursday May 14, 2026 @10:21AM (#48135843)
There is a fundamental difference between non-technical users from using Claude, or any other LLM, for whatever reason and whatever they produce being produced into production.

There are significant reasons why an organization would not want to use Cowork, because it does not fall under Anthropic's ZDR [0], which is a huge issue for... anyone dealing with anything sensitive.

What I think this comes down to is that you value velocity regardless of whatever the costs. We will get to see how that solves itself, there are going to be a lot of billable hours that are going to figure that out.

But none of this means that you have any idea what you are talking about nor do you understand why individuals or organizations act the way that they do.

You are free to do it better. Please do.

[0] https://code.claude.com/docs/en/zero-data-retention#what-zdr...

Re:Claude for Small Business on Thursday May 14, 2026 @10:00AM (#48135521)
How many of those people, including yourself, actually understand what the technology is, what the risk factors are relative to your existing contracts/obligations, and how what you are doing with the technology interacts with the aforementioned questions.

I say this as someone who deals with sales/CRO/CFO functions quite regulary, I have to tell everyone that uploading contracts to Claude and/or ChatGPT does not hold confidentiality because files are not covered under enterprise ZDRs. [0] [1]

It comes down to 'everyone else is doing it' without an understanding of why, then past that, the what of how that applies to the specific business to find the unique value of AI to an organization that does not touch external networks.

Please give your GC the links below, let them look over your contracts and obligations to ensure you aren't exposing risk for no real reason other than saving a couple seconds for something that a SDR/BDR level employee could do.

[0] https://code.claude.com/docs/en/zero-data-retention#what-zdr...

[1] https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/guides/your-data#zero...

Re:Claude for Small Business on Thursday May 14, 2026 @09:29AM (#48135117)
Does Anthropic's DPA provide indemnity to code thats produced from the product and any damages associated with security vulnerabilities within that code?

We are talking about vibe coded applications by executives and the risks that are associated with that, nothing within a DPA covers that. Please, be my guest, link an Anthropic DPA which includes indemnity for damages associated with the code produced.

Again, you keep showing your lacking of understanding of the domain in some really fundamental ways which shows that you haven't negotiated B2B contracts nor have you held a position of responsibility where you hold liability.

But keep responding because this feels more like therapy for you, and your feelings about people like me, rather than the realities of the exposure that come from vibe coded applications for executives.

Re:Claude for Small Business on Thursday May 14, 2026 @09:07AM (#48134864)
Cool story bro.

Do you think the MSFT sales person, or anyone who has the financial incentive to innovate, doesn't want you to innovate? They want you on Azure and O365 regardless, they don't care.

Hell, Microsoft will give you will give you 150k [0] of credits to do so.

But keep talking as if you have some magical, unique, special insight that escapes contracts and the law, compared to the people who, sadly, have to deal with reality.

[0] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/startups

Re:Claude for Small Business on Thursday May 14, 2026 @08:50AM (#48134671)
I am not digging, I am being consistent.

But I appreciate you trying to police the expression of my deeply held beliefs, but, like, nope!

Re:Claude for Small Business on Thursday May 14, 2026 @08:36AM (#48134516)
Compliance isn't required due to a vendor.

Compliance is due to the legal obligations thanks to local regulations and obligations that are defined through contracts with 3rd parties.

Saying 'found the Microsoft person' expresses a lack of understanding of the domain.

Re:Claude for Small Business on Thursday May 14, 2026 @08:11AM (#48134282)
What does this even mean?

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