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Yes, sorry should have mentioned that. Of course the easy solution is then to simply decline.
It's even worse with some physicians. When I got an MRI a year or two ago, getting an AI diagnosis cost extra. I am very positive about AI, but I can understand why people would be hesitant to pay extra when they hear about false positives and the unreliability of AI.
Re:OpenAI Feared "Optics" of what might appear on Hacker News on Sunday September 27, 2026 @10:22AM (#49866886)
Basically this was already decided with the Anthropic Case. Lawful acquirement of books allows for training. So basically buying each book once, which is trivial seeing the amount of money these companies sit on, is enough.
Re:OpenAI Feared "Optics" of what might appear on Hacker News on Sunday September 27, 2026 @08:46AM (#49866216)
This comment left me chuckling. Thanks for that.
Re:OpenAI Feared "Optics" of what might appear on Hacker News on Sunday September 27, 2026 @08:42AM (#49866192)
I have read the article. I called out that they are putting so much emphasis on this term, which is one line, one opinion and build 1/2 of their argument: AI-Company - bad! on it.
Re:OpenAI Feared "Optics" of what might appear on Hacker News on Sunday September 27, 2026 @05:11AM (#49864828)
I agree with you, but I acknowledge that some people (not myself) might feel different about copyright.
Re:OpenAI Feared "Optics" of what might appear on Hacker News on Sunday September 27, 2026 @05:10AM (#49864811)
>Why is book piracy a better way of doing things?

You twist the argument. Your argument would hold if AI's only use would be to generate booksverbatim it was already trained on. Which is certaintly not the case and huge efforts were made to circumvent this kind of usage.

Re:OpenAI Feared "Optics" of what might appear on Hacker News on Sunday September 27, 2026 @05:02AM (#49864760)
They are having it in the subtitle. In general their whole article is about two main points, first the use of stuff from Libgen, second the points of making people jobless. Three of their points are about the jobless thing two about the LibGen.

About LibGen, there might be more discussion - fair. However, the second argument is no real discussion IMO. Why is putting people out of work suddenly a bad thing? Since when do we argue this when talking about automation?

Re:OpenAI Feared "Optics" of what might appear on Hacker News on Sunday September 27, 2026 @04:56AM (#49864718)
>A copyright is a type of intellectual property that gives its owner the exclusive legal right to copy, distribute, adapt, display, and perform a creative work, usually for a limited time.

The more interesting question is IMO if AI training actually falls into one of these cases. You can read a book and also copy it, but you do not do because of the law. However, you have the ability to do so. Is having the ability to do something already forbidden?

Re:OpenAI Feared "Optics" of what might appear on Hacker News on Sunday September 27, 2026 @04:50AM (#49864682)
Simply look at the Wikipedia article?

>The group lobbies at the national and state levels on censorship and tax concerns, and it has initiated or supported several major lawsuits in defense of authors' copyrights.

Re:OpenAI Feared "Optics" of what might appear on Hacker News on Sunday September 27, 2026 @04:48AM (#49864673)
Then you misunderstood my point. I think copyright law should be significantly changed and the current system hurts us all.
Re:OpenAI Feared "Optics" of what might appear on Hacker News on Sunday September 27, 2026 @04:47AM (#49864661)
First, it's still a lobbying organization, so it's their job to make exaggerated claims, like a union in a company or any other organization with a political purpose. My first point was to highlight that it's not neutral or news related. It's fine that they have their opinion, but it's also my right to say that they're biased.

The second thing underscores my point. They use one line and think they've made a great point because one employee called LibGen sketchy. This site has been around since the 2010s, and it has helped many people do research. It's not just a sketchy website that suddenly appeared and is always doing bad things. I think a more nuanced stance is necessary.

Re:OpenAI Feared "Optics" of what might appear on Hacker News on Sunday September 27, 2026 @04:41AM (#49864620)
They mention it in the text, its this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_Genesis

>Microsoft knew about OpenAI’s use of LibGen as early as April 2019

Re:OpenAI Feared "Optics" of what might appear on Hacker News on Sunday September 27, 2026 @04:30AM (#49864549)
This is a lobby organisation using only the pieces and bits they like to push their own agenda.

"sketchy russian website", how about using some more clear description like: A library for sharing books and articles that should be partly public domain because they were paid for by the public. Only some of the material is copyrighted by authors. However, some of their work is so old that it is not reprinted anyway.

But of course such an explanation would not click.

I also don't see a problem with statements about making people jobless. Imagine if every robotic or automation company advertised like this: Yeah, you'll buy tons of expensive robots and still rely on expensive labor from real people without any efficiency gains.

I think this is more of a systematic issue. I review now since 2-3 years, I do not get paid, which is fine. However, it takes always a huge amount of time without really having anything from it, but I do it because it is important work.

There now so many researcher that need to publish which explains the flooding, LLM only speed it up, so reciprocal reviews take place. So now you are forced to review and you are having less and less time. So it’s a natural choice for you if you already took an LLM to write a paper to use it to review.

Perhaps one solution would be much harder entry barriers, and enforcing some guidelines. For example that a supervisor can not have more than 5 papers and PhD students only need one real paper on a major conference/journal.

To me personally, that always sounds a bit paternalistic. Don't get me wrong. Yes, there is manipulation by some countries, such as Russia in Germany and AI is helping them. But I think a lot of people see right through that.
Why should it only be distilled when they actually perform better on some benchmarks (see DeepSeeks Flash 4.1)?
People outside the EU should stand up and, where possible, vote for governments that work for the people, not against them. I am not sure what kind of answer you expect from me, there is no magical solution.
Because regulation is slow, FCKW took 16 years to ban, Lead in Petrol was introduced 1922 and banned 2002 in Australia, Asbestos is in many countries banned after 20-30 years of use.

There will be regulation, it probably will take time, but calling out the AI destroying humanity is just hysterical.

BTW EU regulations are already on their way, so there are govs that impose regulations.

The original comment refereed to humanity in general, so my point was more like: Humanity's average life improved over the last few thousand years, and many people having the best life compared to everyone else in this timeline.

If you are living in a western country in most of the cases you have access to regular food, water, shelter, amusement. So all the basic needs and the possibility and freedom to pursue what you want to do. Even in developing countries the number of people that suffer from serious illness and hunger declined very much. On a macro perspective we all having a better life.

From a personal perspective, yeah there might be set backs, but this has nothing to do with humanity in general I would argue.

Also regarding the "golden age" of tech startups ... was it really like this or was it only nostalgia and something you saw in the companies that was never there in the first place? OpenAI was once also a very OPEN company ... they published their research, open sourced stuff and then they needed money.

I think that a company never should be idolized that much, in the end they are caring for money and keeping their operations running, not something else.

This is a risk yes, however there can be something done against it. From my point of view, both of what you are describing are a regulatory problems. For the first, hold the AI companies accountable. In this second they either prevent their agents from going rogue or go bankrupt, because the claims of damages are too high. The IP infringement thing is the same, do we want to protect IP, if yes pass a law that they have to pay as everyone else.

Similar for the jobs ... if no one, or nearly no one is left for having a job. Who do you think will consume? Yeah, luxus companies can always sell products like megayachts or super expensive handbags, but these companies are not the backbone of the economy. Economy will simply collapse if no one is buying all the products. So this is a problem that will sort it self out.

Why the doomerism? In general humanity is living its best life compared to nearly every other step in time.
Re:Australia's social media ban has failed on Tuesday August 04, 2026 @11:05AM (#49170004)
I'm not sure the fentanyl argument works at all. People weren't informed or warned about the risks it could pose, and it was often given without their exact knowledge of what they were taking. Unlike social media, where many of the risks are widely discussed. So if you say the war on drugs is a bad metaphor I guess I could say the same about fentanyl?
Re:Australia's social media ban has failed on Sunday August 02, 2026 @08:46PM (#49149967)
Believe it or not, there are other ways for dealing with drug abuse then just banning everything. If one thing has become clear, it is that the war on drugs has failed. Instead of banning these products, they should be sold under a regulated and taxed system, with the tax revenue used to fund support programmes for those wishing to quit.

For example, in many countries that legalized Marijuana the number of addicts did not significantly rose. Further the police now have even less to do, as they do not need to control these people if they are taking this drug.

Re:Australia's social media ban has failed on Sunday August 02, 2026 @07:52AM (#49143621)
>Probably best we both drop that, 'eh?

Agreed.

One thing I like to ask ... compared to EU and Germany Australia has already a very strict (from our point of view) system for immigration. What is then the point of One Nation? Since you are already so demanding in what a foreign has to bring with them, like education, money, not being to old. What else do they really want?

Australia and Germany itself are not a match to the US or China. This is why we have to unite to larger organisations like the EU. And from my perspective Australia SHOULD fill the UK void. I liked the Australians always more than the British ;).

The next problems about the billionaire's is that they lobby very long and institutions are very slow. For example this Google Lawsuit took over 10 years ... we can not wait this long when we are talking about controlling social media. Yeah I think in general we agree on the overall topic, but have a bit different ideas how to achieve it.

Re:Australia's social media ban has failed on Sunday August 02, 2026 @07:20AM (#49143388)
Do you read what I wrote?

>Might be a bit different system, but

I specifically said that we have different systems. However, the overall process does not differ so significantly that we would not be able to vote people out of power if we want to, which was your original point where you argued about systems.

>that Germans are stupid and easily led by media?

Not everyone, but enough are such that similar to the americans we start to vote for right-wing politicans which promise much, but will not solve the problems. From what I heard you Australians have the same issue with "One Nation".

>who are we, in Germany and Australia, to tell a US billionaire

For what are we having a goverment if they are not impose laws that are binding for companies? A US Billionaire can do whatever they want in a country as long as its legal. The EU recently ruled that Google has to pay 1 billion since they seem to favor their own apps and thus creating a monopoly. In the end Google will comply as the EU market is large enough.

Re:Australia's social media ban has failed on Sunday August 02, 2026 @07:00AM (#49143260)
Do you think we don't do the same in Germany? Might be a bit different system, but I would appreciate if you would not treat me as if I don't know anything about democracy. Voting and protesting might seem nice on paper, but people are stupid or kept stupid, for example crime rates are dropping for years but people feel unsafer because of higher media coverage.

However, now we are talking about something different and this is also something I can support much more. Algorithmic boosts and these slot machine like systems are a problem, which I highly agree. Then a ban of all of these systems would be something you would rather advocate then advocate for selective bans. For example, yeah social media can continue to exist but only a very simple algorithm can be used where a user can subscribe to topics he/she chooses. No recommendation, no trending stuff.

Re:Australia's social media ban has failed on Sunday August 02, 2026 @06:33AM (#49143097)
>American?

Nope, German. Would I be American I would probably phantasize of taking up arms to overthrow the dictatorship, without the realization that I probably just would die since the military is much better equipped than me.

Re:Australia's social media ban has failed on Sunday August 02, 2026 @06:26AM (#49143059)
This is a different problem, and law makers are in charge to change this direction.
Re:Australia's social media ban has failed on Sunday August 02, 2026 @06:10AM (#49142945)
And it also does not stop underage drinking or smoking, despite having the law. I understand why we have this law as it has a physical impact and literaly no upsides.

However, smartphone usage and also the use of social media can have positive impact and is not inheritly damaging. Which is why I argue that a ban seems like the wrong direction.

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