It blows my mind that people still think Epstein is just a big conspiracy theory and nothing happened.

Pam Bondi said Epstein's black book was on her desk ready to be released, and then a month later she said it didn't exist. She couldn't have been telling the truth both times.

The camera in Epstein's jail cell "failed" for the exact two minutes he was (supposedly) killing himself before magically starting to work again.

Congress told the DOJ to release unredacted documents, and they said "F** you" and released redacted (properly redacted, even) documents any way.

But you're asking a random guy on HN for evidence that there's a cover up and crimes going on. It's pretty clear the powers that be don't want the evidence released, or it would have been already.

I am asking about a specific claim: Leon Black or Les Wexner have been implicated in a sec trafficking ring. This seems specific enough that you can’t say “it was probably in a document that nobody could see”, otherwise literally anyone who has ever said “hello” to Epstein can be accused of being a child rapist… which is sort of what is happening, isn’t it?

For context, I have absolutely zero idea who these two people are, I just think rationality about the Epstein case and “innocent until proven guilty” left the room a while ago…

I think the problem is that no-one is seeing justice being done.

The Epstein survivors had their names released in the publication of the Epstein files whereas the perpetrators had their names redacted.

Without any serious attempt at carrying out justice, I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume that anyone associated with Epstein was part of the criminal conspiracy.

People are not seeing the prosecutions they were expecting. I think some of that is because the person who would be prosecuted is dead, part of that is because the justice system makes a successful prosecution difficult (eg some people may be likely to have been victims while also not being sufficiently credible witnesses to win at court), part of this is because prosecutions that are deemed unlikely to win are not pursued, but I also think part of this is that there is a belief within parts of the public that more people associated with Epstein ought to have been guilty of something (abuse related rather than misconduct in a public office) even if there is not actually any evidence of it other than that association. That isn’t to say that many of those people weren’t acting immorally but immoral isn’t the same as illegal.

Those people are so deeply involved with Epstein, it's impossible to sum it up in a HN comment.

Innocent until proven guilty if we have a functioning executive branch for the proving part. Epstein showed the world that we don't, which is my original point. You may not be convinced (although if you don't know who Wexner is, you're not very informed about the case). Most people do though, and they think our justice system is a fraud.

> The camera in Epstein's jail cell "failed" for the exact two minutes he was (supposedly) killing himself before magically starting to work again

Why are you lying about this? How does it benefit you?

It takes less than a minute to find this claim disproven in detail https://www.wired.com/story/the-fbis-jeffrey-epstein-prison-...

The idea that the cut happened when Epstein was supposedly killing himself is something you invented yourself, not something even remotely supported by evidence.

I'm confused what your core disagreement is? It seems like you're narrowing in on some relatively unimportant detail. Using your own source, what is the likely explanation for the tape shenanigans? Who cares if op was inaccurate to the exact specifics of the missing footage? Or am I not understanding the implication of the article you cited?

> relatively unimportant detail

GP invented the claim that the timing of the missing footage happened to coincide with Epstein’s death.

That’s not an unimportant detail! If their claim was true, that’d in fact be credible evidence that Epstein was murdered.

I don’t think the sources matter, you won’t find a single vaguely credible one that supports the crucial claim here.

Okay, I got that part wrong, but doesn't the fact it was edited out make it even more convincing there' a coverup? There's not even plausible deniability when it's been edited.

They edited out cameras restarting at exactly midnight?

That seems totally unsurprising to anyone who has ever worked with real CCTV setups, they’re flaming heaps of garbage from garbage suppliers set up by garbage contractors.

Epstein was murdered in a high security prison so that he does not talk.