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Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by cropcirclbureau on Saturday June 28, 2025 @09:28AM (#44404581)
You're espousing the extremist rhetoric that is being used to justify the horrible crimes that are taking place. That the other side wants all Israelis dead. If both sides are saying that a segment of the other wants them all dead, that leaves no room for compromise. This line of thinking is as extreme as it gets and I'm sad to see how prevalent it is in Israeli thinking.

And also, killing mostly "military aged males" is not a clean tactic as you think it is not to mention that it doesn't justify killing a lot of women and children as collateral.

Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by Filligree on Saturday June 28, 2025 @09:35AM (#44404615)
Not to mention, the claim that because you’re a boy in your late teens you’re a valid target… it’s just so incredibly…

Do I call it sexist? Stereotyping? What? It entirely denies the existence of males as anything other than enemies, and these are still children we’re talking about.

Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by jdkoeck on Saturday June 28, 2025 @10:22AM (#44404912)
You just discovered the concept of male expendability.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_expendability

Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by Filligree on Saturday June 28, 2025 @11:29AM (#44405383)
I understand the biological incentives, but we’re supposed to be better than that.
Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by xg15 on Saturday June 28, 2025 @09:17AM (#44404512)
If that were true, the Palestinians in the West Bank should be living in peace and prosperity. Yet they aren't...
Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by avip on Saturday June 28, 2025 @10:19AM (#44404886)
They are considerably better off than Gazans, though I'd agree "living in piece and prosperity" would not be the first adjective comes to mind.
Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by andrepd on Saturday June 28, 2025 @09:29AM (#44404585)
> It’d be convenient if Jews just stopped existing so the Arabs could take their homeland again

This argument betrays your bias: that the land is yours (Jewish I mean), and "Arabs" stole it and want to steal it again.

Of course, the other side sees it differently. They see a half a century of immigration to their land culminating in a partition that was imposed from the outside in Western colonialist fashion without the consent of the people living there. They saw massacres and expulsions and ethnic cleansing. That is the root of the conflict.

Of course now 80 years and many complications have passed; both sides have legitimate complaints about the other and many people have been born in both territories making them natives and not part of either colonisation or expulsion. It's difficult.

> All of the death toll coming out of Gaza are from Hamas and they revised the numbers back in April to show 72% of the deaths are military aged males.

This betrays it even more. Not only do you cite a non-credible source going against the consensus, but your argument is literally "Palestinian males between 16 and 45 are fair game for extermination". Not sure what to reply to that.

Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by xg15 on Saturday June 28, 2025 @09:40AM (#44404645)
I find it exemplified in the disagreements even in the beginning of the conflict. I feel, pro-Israeli commenters either prefer to start with 1948 (The state somehow appeared like some sort of divine creation and was immediately declared war by all surrounding countries) or in biblical times.

Pro-Palestinian commenters usually start with the Balfour Declaration or Theodor Herzl's books, I believe.

I found 1881/1882 a good starting point, because this was the first time there was organized immigration that explicitly followed Zionist plans and ideology - I.e. people were not abstractly thinking about "returning to Jerusalem" and they weren't immigrating into the Ottoman empire for other reasons, but they were deliberately immigrating with the intention of (re-)establishing a "Jewish homeland" in the biblical Land of Israel.

Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by throwaway290 on Saturday June 28, 2025 @10:30AM (#44404963)
If you are from US/Australia/... chances are you also think the land is yours and occasionally you celebrate what is for locals an "invasion day"

in this sense Jews are in a much better position because their presence in specifically that area many hundreds of years before Muslim conquest is archeologically documented. Unlike presence of Europeans in Americas or Australia.

What I say does not justify war atrocities. Just that "you are wrong to call it your land" is not a good working logic

Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by andrepd on Saturday June 28, 2025 @10:49AM (#44405085)
I'm unsure what your point is, because that example supports my argument. There is no documented European presence but there is Native presence for millenia in those lands. Yet nobody would seriously argue that non-native Americans/Australians should be kicked out so the land is returned to their "original owners" as defined by "the vague descendents of the earliest known occupiers as defined in a muddy ethnoreligious way"... Yet when talking about this group in particular that claim holds?!
Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by throwaway290 on Saturday June 28, 2025 @11:58AM (#44405663)
> Yet nobody would seriously argue that non-native Americans/Australians should be kicked out so the land is returned to their "original owners"

Maybe somebody would if they could? Or how about not kicked out but just made subordinate to government by native original owners, how would you like that?

I guess somebody else can say but Americans developed land, built infrastructure and democracy and did good more. But then the same can be said about Israel. And unlike Americans Jews did not invade somewhere new because they were there in BC era

I don't defend bad stuff done by Israel gov but I suggest condemning specifically bad stuff instead of suggesting "bias" that you did. It's a bit more complicated.