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Re:The forgotten war on beepers by caseyy on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @07:21PM (#40071166)
Yes, there are many reasonable arguments. For example: your data is sold to third parties you don't know, and they use it against you or in unethical ways.

For example, visiting a mental health clinic might mean your car insurance rates go up, or Facebook adjusts their algorithm to cause you more distress and hook you more, or your credit rating goes down. Objectively, you are worse off because you were tracked.

See a recent example with BetterHelp, where they sold their patients' history of mental health medications, suicide attempts, depression, and a few other things that were on an ingestion form to social media companies. After promising on the very form where they collected this data that they wouldn't do it. That is the reality of the situation. You turn into a product when you're tracked.

Re:The forgotten war on beepers by 2024throwaway on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @07:25PM (#40071192)
Citations needed. These sound like wild conspiracy theories.
Re:The forgotten war on beepers by mrWiz on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @07:41PM (#40071312)
Neither of those links demonstrate mishandling of location data collected via cell phone. They’re just regular misuse of data that would be possible even if nobody involved was carrying a phone.
Re:The forgotten war on beepers by caseyy on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @07:44PM (#40071335)
Well, I'm sure you understand that there is a broader theme here, given how central it has been to public discourse and lawmaking in the last several years.

But should that not be the case, here's data collected via cell-phone that was mishandled - https://eu.azcentral.com/story/news/local/southwest-valley/2....

Re:The forgotten war on beepers by vel0city on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @08:39PM (#40071743)
But those VHF pagers transmitted all the rest of your data in the clear unprotected, it just didn't have your location or any knowledge if you received the message.
Re:The forgotten war on beepers by caseyy on Thursday April 18, 2024 @12:18AM (#40072901)
Well, you are right. But the message as well as the medium can be privacy-respecting. Even with encrypted messages, a lot can be extracted from metadata that is a part of the medium.

These days pager tech has advanced to support public-private key encryption for messages. So the messages being in plain text is less of a concern.

Re:The forgotten war on beepers by sophacles on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @08:10PM (#40071547)
I'm sure you're right. They'll keep our boring, unimportant location data safe. Just like they do with our financial data, or account info, and other such important information.

Nothing bad ever happens when people's info is leaked like that anyway right?

BTW I need to confirm some data I bought - what are your CVVs and SSN again? It's fine to post it publically here, nothing bad happens and it's already been leaked 100s of times at this point.

Re:The forgotten war on beepers by 2024throwaway on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @08:22PM (#40071636)
Unironically this. I treat my SSN as public data. CVVs might as well be too, I can just dispute the charge.
Re:The forgotten war on beepers by DisgracePlacard on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @08:13PM (#40071569)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/04/05/israel-idf-l...

Israel used phone location data to target and kill Palestinians, with a sub-90% accuracy rate, supposedly. Probably not a big concern right now in America, but it could always turn into one. So I think it'd be good if this wasn't a possibility. Better safe than sorry.

Re:The forgotten war on beepers by kortilla on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @07:27PM (#40071206)
The cell phone company and anyone who offers them money.
Re:The forgotten war on beepers by 2024throwaway on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @07:32PM (#40071253)
I’ll tell you I was at Costco for free.
Re:The forgotten war on beepers by kortilla on Sunday April 21, 2024 @11:18AM (#40106416)
And when it’s an abortion clinic you went to in a neighboring state because it’s illegal where you live? How about when it shows you did something that could get you prosecuted in your home country?
Re:The forgotten war on beepers by MatthiasPortzel on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @07:20PM (#40071159)
Because the cell phone company logs that information and will turn it over to law enforcement without a warrant?
Re:The forgotten war on beepers by 2024throwaway on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @07:32PM (#40071250)
They can know I was at Costco too. I’m fine with that.
Re:The forgotten war on beepers by caseyy on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @07:38PM (#40071294)
Surely you're not saying you're fine with your location data leading to wrongful imprisonment, which is what sometimes happens if companies hoard this data?

https://eu.azcentral.com/story/news/local/southwest-valley/2...

Re:The forgotten war on beepers by 2024throwaway on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @08:23PM (#40071641)
If I go to prison for being at Costco, that was one WILD trip to Costco.
Re:The forgotten war on beepers by ctrw on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @07:25PM (#40071189)
If you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to hide.

Just ask the animal libratio armys fringes who think that the death penalty is a reasonable response to eating meat.

Re:The forgotten war on beepers by 2024throwaway on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @07:26PM (#40071198)
So you have no reasonable argument, got it.
Re:The forgotten war on beepers by ctrw on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @07:55PM (#40071426)
If you don't see why terrorists getting your location is a bad thing thing... Well it's a problem that will solve itself eventually.
Re:The forgotten war on beepers by 2024throwaway on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @08:24PM (#40071648)
Tell the terrorists I’ll be at Costco, eating a whole rotisserie chicken in the parking lot while crying.
Re:The forgotten war on beepers by wizzwizz4 on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @07:49PM (#40071390)
Re:The forgotten war on beepers by 2024throwaway on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @08:24PM (#40071649)
Costco doesn’t sell sex toys. Yet.