> SATs are the chemotherapy of inclusion

This is very apt. And then all the anti science people come and argue we need to take every patient off chemotherapy because it hurts them, and thus making things worse for these poor patients. I think it is ok to think that those kind of people are insane and need to be stopped, and that chemotherapy is overall a good things for patients even if it hurts a bit.

Being pro-every single medical treatment is epitome of anti-science. Science is following evidence-based medicine and the evidence shows that there are cases where chemotherapy is ineffective, like https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S15330... and https://www.healio.com/news/hematology-oncology/20191213/adj... . Putting everybody with cancer on chemotherapy is anti-science.

Well if I were diagnosed with cancer and my doctor said 90% of the time chemotherapy was ineffective but that there are no other treatments, I might still consider doing chemotherapy in case I'm in that other 10% of patients. So it should at least be considered as an option. And this is what every good doctor does with every patient -- presents options, lets you know what the risks and benefits are, and works with you to make decisions.

I would be really upset if the doctor didn't at least let me make an informed decision here, even if you think I'm being anti-science by doing so.

I didn't say that we should put everyone on chemotherapy, you are arguing against a strawman.

can you vouch my post? there is nothing unsubstantive about our contributions to this thread and its odd people that people are unwilling to discuss the merits of the observation