U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr

Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by luma on Monday May 15, 2023 @11:09AM (#35949429)

I agree with your assertion that there is a big difference here, in that anti-abortion protestors are far more likely to resort to domestic terrorism to get their way.

Pro-choice protestors don't have a history of bombing health clinics, that's something reserved for the people you claim "take peaceful action". History has something quite different to say: https://www.vox.com/2015/12/1/9827886/abortion-clinic-attack...

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Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by keneda7 on Monday May 15, 2023 @11:17AM (#35949578)

According to the FBI director this is not true. Since Dobbs 70% of violence has been against pro life centers.

Skip to 1:45 in the video for the exact quote.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pro-life-centers-targeted-7...

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Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by iudqnolq on Monday May 15, 2023 @04:43PM (#35954213)

You're using the wrong metric. Pro abortion protestors broke a large number of windows. Anti abortion protestors shot a handful of people. The appropriate comparison is not number of incidents.

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Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by vorpalhex on Monday May 15, 2023 @11:19AM (#35949621)

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/pro-abortion-terrorists-...

No, both sides have a good history of bombings.

"My side bombs less" is also not a wonderful counterargument.

It would be preferable if the two sides could quietly engage in a melee battle somewhere away from bystanders. In the meantime, maybe we can avoid ideological battles on HN.

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Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by dopamean on Monday May 15, 2023 @11:06AM (#35949371)

lol call it what you want. protest takes form in many ways whether it's a march in the street, a prayer in a park, or simply sitting at a diner counter.

and i agree that there is a big difference between anti abortion protesters and and pro choice people. one of them has a history of murdering doctors. murders generally attract the attention of law enforcement.

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Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by the_optimist on Monday May 15, 2023 @11:30AM (#35949851)

This conversation is not around murder, or data on murder, or pre-crime. It’s a very poor point. I struggle with how to incorporate partisanship into the dialogue. On one hand, it’s potentially useful for achieving reform. On the other, I expect that you’d be content to establish unfair policies that resulted in actual harm based on mere disagreement. The sense of justice is perverted. But sure, come on in and oppose surveillance and promote a broad definition of protest.

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Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by iudqnolq on Monday May 15, 2023 @11:03AM (#35949327)

why should the rest of us accept your doublespeak? If you all get together on the sidewalk to chant and hold signs in opposition to something that's called protest.

Just because you call it sidewalk counseling doesn't mean we can't all see the yelling and verbal abuse and sporadic physical assault.

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Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by falcolas on Monday May 15, 2023 @11:11AM (#35949473)

What do you think protests are? Coordinated congregation to push a specific point of view is protesting.

And, for an an emotional take, I’ve seen some pro birth protests and how they treat the out group. Peaceful my ass.

Screaming “whore” and “sinner” and “burn in hell” at women so angrily that they’re flinging spittle is not a fucking peaceful prayer circle.

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Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by adfgionionio on Monday May 15, 2023 @11:08AM (#35949415)

>we don't really consider it "protesting" at all when we organize activities.

Everyone else does.

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Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by formerly_proven on Monday May 15, 2023 @11:08AM (#35949412)

> it's not a protest it's a rally

Are you actually being serious?

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Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by tssva on Monday May 15, 2023 @11:16AM (#35949555)

Pro-abortion protesters are not a thing. There are pro-choice protestors. There is long history of violence from anti-abortion movement including assaults and murders of clinic personnel & volunteers. Clinics have been physical damaged including being bombed.

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