How the U.K. Became One of the Poorest Countries in Western Europe

Re:How the U.K. Became One of the Poorest Countries in Weste... by mattkevan on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @06:41PM (#33337144)

You’re talking rubbish mate.

Lived all over London for 20 years, including pre-gentrification Hackney and very gentrified parts of Lambeth and there’s never been anything like that.

Not even in Croydon, and they’re feral.

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Re:How the U.K. Became One of the Poorest Countries in Weste... by orf on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @06:24PM (#33336945)

Lived here for a decade and don’t know what you’re talking about.

If I was to indulge this for even a second I’d point out this massive project sewage project involving 6 tunnel boring machines: https://www.tideway.london/the-tunnel/

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Re:How the U.K. Became One of the Poorest Countries in Weste... by weavejester on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @05:54PM (#33336662)

I've never seen raw sewage running down the street. Admittedly I've not been everywhere in London, and some parts are better than others, but it doesn't seem any different from any other city I've been in. It feels cleaner than New York, for example.

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Re:How the U.K. Became One of the Poorest Countries in Weste... by makomk on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @06:44PM (#33337177)

The UK actually seems to do a better job of treating its sewage than other European countries. What happened is that a lot of the British press absolutely loathes the current government over Brexit and wants them booted out, so they created a narrative that our rivers and oceans are suddenly full of sewage based off the number of recorded overflows increasing due to much better monitoring. (The main problem is that the sewers are old, mix storm and waste water, and that overwhelms treatment capacity when it rains heavily. There's no easy way to fix it.) I guess one of those articles probably got mangled in repetition at some point.

Meanwhile, other nearby countries that are EU members still have urban areas with no sewage treatment plants at all and just dump all their sewage into waterways in normal operation, something that's against EU rules and I'm pretty sure was stopped a long time ago in the UK. That doesn't get as much media coverage because it doesn't fit a useful narrative, though, to the point even people from thsoe countries are convinced their country is doing a better job.

Also, this story largely originated in the Guardian, and it turns out prior to Brexit they were pushing the narrative that the big megaproject to 95% fix this in London was completely pointless and only served to channel cash to the Tories' pals, the problem wasn't really that bad and the overflows were mostly rain water anyway: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/nov/27/london-s... This is, uh, rather different from the current narrative they're pushing.

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Re:How the U.K. Became One of the Poorest Countries in Weste... by weavejester on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @01:27AM (#33340139)

"What happened is that a lot of the British press absolutely loathes the current government over Brexit and wants them booted out"

That makes it seem like the UK press is largely left leaning, when most of it is very much right leaning and usually pro-government in sentiment.

The Mail has far more readers than the Guardian, for instance. The Sun more than the Mirror. The BBC, while historically left of centre, is nowadays pro-government after threats of funding cuts brought them to heel.

There are a lot of reasons beyond Brexit to think the government is doing a poor job, though Brexit itself is obviously a huge point of contention.

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Re:How the U.K. Became One of the Poorest Countries in Weste... by sealeck on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @05:52PM (#33336641)

Have _you_ ever been there? I've never seen that and I would not say London is a shithole (try walking around central London, e.g. Regent's Park, Hyde Park and surrounding area).

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Re:How the U.K. Became One of the Poorest Countries in Weste... by jen20 on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @06:33PM (#33337045)

Where, exactly? A street name, preferably.

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Re:How the U.K. Became One of the Poorest Countries in Weste... by FridayoLeary on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @05:52PM (#33336646)

I've lived here my whole life and i don't know what you're talking about.

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