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Re:Ask HN: Perspectives for Ukrainian programmer coming to U...
by ghostwriter on Sunday July 31, 2022 @04:48PM
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> What about to serve or help your country?
did Kyivites ask citizens of Mariupol about their position on the armed coup against a democratically elected [1] president in 2014? That president was elected by a majority of Eastern Ukraine, including Mariupol. The president didn't break a law even to be impeached, yet political elites and their sympathizers around Kiyv decided the fate of the country for everyone in that year. There was no referendum, there was no impeachment process, there was no desire to preserve the right to representation of the people in Eastern Ukraine. But now you're asking a random guy from Mariupol to "serve or help your country". What for? To be tossed around once more?
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Ukrainian_presidential_el...
Re:Ask HN: Perspectives for Ukrainian programmer coming to U...
by arifmeticus on Sunday July 31, 2022 @07:23AM
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I'm sorry that you feel that way. In my opinion the 'hate the most' label is better applied to Russian troops and government, not to Ukrainian civilians that happen to suffer in the destroyed city. And, with all due respect, that's pretty rich of you to throw accusations without knowing my circumstances.
Re:Ask HN: Perspectives for Ukrainian programmer coming to U...
by Jensson on Sunday July 31, 2022 @03:11AM
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To me it is strange that Ukraine made the policy to ban all men from leaving the country. At least the Russians let him escape and he is now free to do whatever he wants, the Ukrainians wouldn't let him leave the country. So given that choice is it strange that many chooses Russia? Why be angry at people who makes the rational choice?
Re:Ask HN: Perspectives for Ukrainian programmer coming to U...
by matthewiiiv on Sunday July 31, 2022 @03:51AM
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Depends whether you think what you consider to be the rational choice is the morally right choice.
Clearly this guy, and a lot of other Ukrainians think the right thing to do is find a way to stay and contribute rather than fleeing to the very country that is committing such unspeakable acts.
Especially since he doesn't have a family to look after / provide for.
Re:Ask HN: Perspectives for Ukrainian programmer coming to U...
by Jensson on Sunday July 31, 2022 @04:34AM
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I doubt he had much choice though, when your home gets destroyed and is surrounded by the enemy why not just give up and go into their country as a refugee? What should he have done instead, died a meaningless death as a civilian resisting arrest? Demanding he fight his way back to Ukraine controlled areas seems very unreasonable to me.