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Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by rrradical on Friday June 24, 2022 @11:00AM (#31863181)
They literally just overturned gun regulations that some states lawfully enacted. You’re cherry picking your views as much as the court is cherry picking their reading of the constitution.
Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by tomschlick on Friday June 24, 2022 @11:15AM (#31863539)
They overturned "may issue" laws where you could meet all the training and qualifications to legally carry but a state official could make an arbitrary judgement call based on if you had a "good reason" to carry.

All states with "shall issue" are still in effect because its a straight here are the requirements, if you meet them and are not a prohibited person, you get your permit.

Also, the right to bear arms is explicitly enumerated in the constitution, so taking that right away isn't up to the states. The right to an abortion is not. So it goes to each state to decide.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by rrradical on Friday June 24, 2022 @12:53PM (#31865548)
It’s not explicitly enumerated more than anything else we’re talking about. It’s always up to interpretation. Does the constitution say where to draw line between me bearing a knife and a nuke? Nope, ‘arms’ is defined conveniently in the eyes of whoever’s in power when this is decided. That’s how all of this works!
Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by manuelabeledo on Friday June 24, 2022 @11:10AM (#31863416)
> When liberal justices are in charge, they unconstitutionally force their will onto the people. When conservative justices are in charge, they just undo the damage of the liberal justices and place the power back in the hands of the people.

I'm sorry, who forced you to have an abortion?

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Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by manuelabeledo on Friday June 24, 2022 @11:29AM (#31863706)
> The government also forces me...

You have the alternative of dropping from the world and stop using all things paid with your taxes.

> The left have grown militant, and increasingly want to force their world view on everyone else.

I'm curious to know exactly _what_ harms you about gay marriage or abortions, other than your feelings.

On one side, we have people gaining rights, whereas on the other, there are people who don't agree with it. And I'm having a hard time understanding why your feelings are supposed to have more weight in a society, than their rights.

You frame this in a way so it is about tax money, but frankly, there is no possible tax system where people only pay for what they want.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by ClumsyPilot on Friday June 24, 2022 @11:47AM (#31864077)
> public schools... sell abortions to children

And I thought hallucinogens was a left-wing shtick!

> The left have grown militant

So let me get this straight, the year is 2022, when the Soviet union is gone, the Chinese Communist Party is practicing free market, the percentage of unionised workforce is the lowest it's been since 1917 and the effective corporate tax rate is the lowest it's been in 70 years - this, here, is the time of left-wing world order and militarism?

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by disgruntledphd2 on Friday June 24, 2022 @12:31PM (#31865077)
Do you believe that miscarriage is manslaughter? If a woman smokes while pregnant, should that be a crime?
Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by nrmitchi on Friday June 24, 2022 @11:06AM (#31863329)
> When liberal justices are in charge, they unconstitutionally force their will onto the people.

One person having a right to do something is not forcing it on anyone else.

> place the power back in the hands of the people.

A majority of "the people" do not agree with this decision. In fact, they were appointed by someone who did not have majority support, by a party that represents a minority of the actual population.

> The problem was activist judges making the Roe decision in the first place.

You just got a handful of judges making decisions based on their regligious beliefs. Please explain to me how you see that as different than an original decision?

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by PathOfEclipse on Friday June 24, 2022 @11:15AM (#31863532)
The judges forced their morality on everyone by saying the constitution gave a right to an abortion. The constitution does no such thing, meaning the judges were acting as activists, legislating from the bench, rather than doing their jobs correctly. If you are honest, you should be able to say both that you are pro-abortion and that Roe v. wade was possibly the worst supreme court decision of the 20th century.

The secular argument against abortion is so incredibly simple: the unborn child has the right to life just as the mother does. Government is about managing the rights of everyone and balancing them when they come in conflict.

And, finally, abortion is forced on our society in the sense that our tax dollars fund it, our tax dollars fund public schools that promote it, and, if the left have their way, insurance companies will be forced to cover it, possibly free of charge: https://noqreport.com/2021/02/09/california-bill-would-force...

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by ModernMech on Friday June 24, 2022 @08:33PM (#31871260)
You are aware that Roe v. Wade was originally decided by a conservative court, right?

> The secular argument against abortion is so incredibly simple: the unborn child has the right to life just as the mother does. Government is about managing the rights of everyone and balancing them when they come in conflict.

That’s exactly what Roe managed to do for 50 years. Now there will be about half the country where these competing rights are not balanced, but tilt entirely in the favor of the fetus to the detriment of the woman.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by echelon on Friday June 24, 2022 @10:57AM (#31863128)
> When liberal justices are in charge, they unconstitutionally force their will onto the people.

Gay marriage, which I enjoy, is not being "forced" on anyone.

A ban will affect green cards, force deportations and family breakups, and ruin the happiness of millions of Americans.

My country, which I love, is kicking me in the gut because some people are "uncomfortable".

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Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by echelon on Friday June 24, 2022 @12:36PM (#31865198)
> >Gay marriage, which I enjoy, is not being "forced" on anyone. Tell that to bakers.

> Tell that to bakers.

One of the most fundamental aspects of my life is being threatened, and you're worried about other people being offended.

Does my life offend you and are you using this proxy issue to more safely voice your opinion?

First, this isn't you. None of the people in this story are you.

Second, the gravity of my entire life being disrupted is far more serious.

Third, if we really want to be particular, marriage is a separate issue from commerce.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by _-david-_ on Friday June 24, 2022 @02:21PM (#31867081)
I think you are reading into my comment more than you should and as a result are taking it as a personal slight.

I am strictly saying it is being forced onto people in certain professions. This may or may not be justified, but it is happening.

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Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by nrmitchi on Friday June 24, 2022 @11:11AM (#31863453)
> Acceptance of gay marriage is being forced on everyone

Don't act like the victim because you're no longer allowed to victimize others.

Let me try this sentence with some slight adjustments and see where we end up:

- Acceptence of Black people is being forced on everyone

- Acceptence of women working outside of the home is being forced on everyone

- Acceptence of women being allowed to vote is being forced on everyone

IF you think you are a victim for having to accept other people there is no helping you.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by PathOfEclipse on Friday June 24, 2022 @11:46AM (#31864040)
Blacks gaining rights was done primarily via constitutional amendment and later civil rights acts, all passed by the legislative branch. Some believe the courts did in fact go too far during 60s.

Women I believe were always allowed to work, so I'm not sure what this example has to do with anything?

Women being allowed to vote was done via constitutional amendment, again, by the legislative branch.

If you think marriage should be redefined and repurposed so it is not primarily about rearing one's own children, then, by all means, get it redefined, but, do it via legislation, not judicial activism.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by manuelabeledo on Friday June 24, 2022 @11:18AM (#31863602)
> Acceptance of gay marriage is being forced on everyone...

You could say this about almost every single civil right that hasn't been voted on in the past 60 years. Abolition of slavery, for instance.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by troyvit on Friday June 24, 2022 @11:46AM (#31864041)
Then does the fact that the constitution allows different religions in the U.S. "force" the Catholic church to not provide communion to non-believers?
Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by ClumsyPilot on Friday June 24, 2022 @11:30AM (#31863723)
> Acceptance of gay marriage is being forced on everyone

Let's follow this line of reasoning to it's logical conclusion.

What if someone decides that acceptance of your religion, race and ethnicity is also being forcen on everyone? What if they get some funny ideas about Lebensraum?

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by echelon on Friday June 24, 2022 @11:05AM (#31863296)
> Like, are you serious?

> Acceptance of gay marriage is being forced on everyone

Wow. I'm sorry that my marriage to my loving wife is such a problem for you.

Imagine saying that again but replacing gay with Black or interracial.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by goosedragons on Friday June 24, 2022 @11:12AM (#31863464)
Like, are you serious? Judicial fiat literally overruled the will of the people and forced concealed carry to be legal.

New York decided over 100 years ago that people shouldn't be allowed to conceal carry without a good reason and now a bunch of activist judges have forced concealed carry on everyone.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by beeboop on Friday June 24, 2022 @11:07AM (#31863338)
this reads like satire
Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by myvoiceismypass on Friday June 24, 2022 @10:59AM (#31863176)
SCOTUS in 73 were not full of “activist judges”.