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Re:Stolperstein by waffleiron on Monday June 20, 2022 @04:16AM (#31807626)
> Will be very hard to walk in russia.

That's not how these work, they are places at the home where the victim lived. Second, you are starting a flame war and being very off-topic.

Re:Stolperstein by jd115 on Monday June 20, 2022 @04:16AM (#31807630)
They work how we want them to work. And nothing could be more on-topic than this right now. What the fuck is the point of remembering and saying "never again" if not to stop what is happening right now in front of our eyes?

Second, there can be no flame wars about this. Everyone agrees on the above.

Re:Stolperstein by voz_ on Monday June 20, 2022 @04:37AM (#31807796)
Russian atrocities in Ukraine are horrific, but they are certainly not even close to the cold extermination machine and bureaucracy employed by nazis against Jews, Poles, Homosexuals, etc.
Re:Stolperstein by trhway on Monday June 20, 2022 @04:47AM (#31807865)
>close to the cold extermination machine and bureaucracy employed by nazis against Jews, Poles, Homosexuals, etc.

I don't understand where do you see any difference. Russia methodically conducts genocide and ethnic cleansing of Ukrainians that Putin announced in his original war speech. Russia has unleashed total terror on Ukrainians on occupied territories - anybody showing any Ukrainian ethnical or political allegiance or having even just former association with Ukrainian armed forces or government is arrested/kidnapped (and some of them are already known to have been tortured, killed while for many nothing is known) by the Russian SS force "Russian Guard". And for bureaucracy - the "Russian Guard" has been disappearing a lot of those people according to the already prepared lists. And that given that 12 million of Ukrainians have already been forced to run away by the bombings and the threat of occupation to Europe and West Ukraine (including many LGBT people who didn't risk to get the Russian, in particular Chechen - as there is large Chechen mercenary force fighting on the Russian side - treatment).

And i don't see any difference here from the German Nazi actions on the occupied USSR territories back then. And Russia doesn't do such things in Ukraine today for the first time - just look up for example USSR in Poland in 1939.

Re:Stolperstein by trhway on Monday June 20, 2022 @04:28AM (#31807727)
For many victims we'd not even know - for example about 50000 civilians have been killed by Russian forces in Mariupol and many bodies are inside the ruined buildings which Russia is just demolishing right now without taking the bodies out.

A lot of people on occupied territories - government/municipal officials, former military, journalists, activists, etc. - have already been kidnapped by the Russian SS force ("Russian Guard") and nobody knows and may never know the fate of the many of them.

About million of people have been moved into Russia - they are moved through "filtration camps" where those who deemed "nationalist" (anti-Russian posts in FB/Twitter for example or having family members who have fought on Ukrainian side) are filtered out and again fate unknown. The fate of the rest is officially some resettlement in Russia though there is no way to account for all of them.

Also a note about the Putin regime actions to erase the memory of the millions of victims of another mass killing - during recent years Russia de-facto outlawed (assigned impossible to exist with status of "foreign agent" which led to the organization closing) to the "Memorial" organization the main work of which was maintaining the public memory of the victims of the Stalin repressions.