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Re:Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open l... by smeej on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @02:41PM (#31251885)
> ...never had to do anything hard in their life.

What I wouldn't give to see you try just to survive a day with my body and my brain.

The base level struggle of someone living in a world designed for people with completely different brains than ours would make whatever trophies you think you earned in actual competitive Little League or whatever look exactly like the worthless little ego strokes you think participation trophies are.

But we can compete with you, now that we can work remotely. If you can't compete remotely, that's because you've been relying on privileges you didn't even realize you had for your success, not because there's something wrong with remote work.

If you can't succeed now that we're on the field, you don't deserve any more trophies.

Re:Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open l... by EricE on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @03:06PM (#31252211)
Oh please - I'm severely ADD and was before it was even a thing. I still managed to learn to adapt without expecting everyone around me to bend to me.

And I'm not only full time WFH but geographically remote from my office too. Have been for some time. But wouldn't be anywhere near where I am to day had I started out that way.

There is nothing wrong with remote work. What's wrong is pretending there aren't trade off's with remote work. if those trade off's aren't majority negative for you then have at it! But assuming remote work should just be the norm just because it's what an employee wants - that's nuts!

Re:Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open l... by banannaise on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @02:44PM (#31251927)
> There are tons of companies out there; it's going to be far easier to find one with a better match to you than trying to bend your existing company to your will.

No, it isn't. Businesses tend to play "follow the leader", so the ability to find a company offering substantially different work conditions is limited.

When facing a cartel, the solution is not "find an alternative". The idea of a cartel is to limit alternatives!

Re:Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open l... by passivate on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @03:26PM (#31252409)
>No, it isn't. Businesses tend to play "follow the leader", so the ability to find a company offering substantially different work conditions is limited.

Assuming your premise is true, the 'leader' here would be remote-work if we are to believe that amazing benefits and therefore success that it can bring to a business. Businesses tend to copy things that other successful companies are doing.

You calling it a cartel situation is not fair, but I'm going to look the other way and assume you did that just for effect.

Re:Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open l... by stuff4ben on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @02:38PM (#31251851)
You know the answer to this is "ok boomer" right?

But seriously you hit upon a lot of topics us older folks seem to get and younger folks don't and also vice versa. It's also well within their rights to demand remote work and not have to go into the office at all. Perhaps younger minds are better at collaboration than older minds? And even as an older guy who had a "butts in seats" policy when I managed folks, I don't buy the argument that working remotely has serious tradeoffs. If they were so bad, open source software would never have taken off. You don't have to be in the office to collaborate effectively. Maybe if your personality demands it, but a lot of us introverts (or non-neuro-normative if you will) kinda like not being around people who talk all the time.

Re:Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open l... by rectang on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @04:38PM (#31253278)
I'm an open source dev myself with lots of experience in remote collab in both open source and commercial, and I agree with EricE that there are downsides — and serious ones at that. However, there are benefits which are just as significant! Depending on the organization the tradeoffs can skew wildly towards choosing remote, so I essentially agree with your conclusion.

I just think it's unfortunate that he's dragged culture war contempt into the discussion, as i think that has inhibited our ability to have curious conversation about the tradeoffs.

Re:Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open l... by EricE on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @02:41PM (#31251889)
>You know the answer to this is "ok boomer" right?

Yup, and when they get to my age funnily enough they will be sounding much like me.

Much like I sound like my parents despite swearing in my naivety to never be like them :)

Youth is indeed wasted on the young :p (it was wasted on me too!)

Re:Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open l... by rectang on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @03:01PM (#31252134)
> Yup, and when they get to my age funnily enough they will be sounding much like me.

They won't have all of your biases and hangups, though. They'll be out of touch with succeeding generations, but not for the same reasons.

Re:Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open l... by EricE on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @03:07PM (#31252219)
lol - see you in 20 years my friend :)
Re:Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open l... by tentakull on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @04:15PM (#31252999)
Anything coming out of a boomer’s mouth about work ethic is hilarious

Just enjoy being the most privileged and worthless generation this country has ever had. There’s a reason the new generations resent you