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Re:Tell HN: Amazon.com is limiting purchases of Audio CDs to... by quanticle on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @12:17AM (#31163885)
Because some people like having access to music that they've paid for on a permanent basis? Because some people don't like dealing with whatever the current drama is between Spotify and the artist they want to listen to? Because some people like being able to specify the encoding format and bitrate of their music?
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Re:Tell HN: Amazon.com is limiting purchases of Audio CDs to... by russelg on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @12:30AM (#31163941)
OK, just let me buy lossless music from iTunes then, nope can't do that... neither can I on Amazon.

The reality of the situation is that many artists are not releasing digital versions on sites that provide lossless downloads (like bandcamp or beatport). So if you want the highest quality you can get, you're either subscribing to Tidal/Deezer/Apple Music (where you don't own the music) or you're buying a CD.

Re:Tell HN: Amazon.com is limiting purchases of Audio CDs to... by fiddlerwoaroof on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:23AM (#31164235)
You can buy FLAC from Qobuz, even without the subscription.
Re:Tell HN: Amazon.com is limiting purchases of Audio CDs to... by wedowhatwedo on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @10:52AM (#31168192)
I wasn't aware of this so I looked. A CD I bought recently for $11.99 was $15.09 for a "Hi-Res 48K" version on Qobuz. Another one I bought for $11.14 was $9.99 in "CD quality", a third was $12.59 for the CD, $11.99 for "CD quality".

I couldn't find a definition of "CD quality" or "Hi-Res 48K" on the FAQ so don't know exactly what I would be getting. But as you can see, buying on CD is still about the same price as downloading files yet the artist usually still makes more for CD sales (from my understanding). That doesn't count the fact that I sometimes buy used CDs for much cheaper and the fact that I get to read the album credits.

I still think buying a physical CD and ripping it is a better deal if I want to control my music and don't want it to disappear from a streaming service with no warning.

I'm disappointed that this option will be going away because when it goes away, the cost of buying downloaded files will go up even more.

bandcamp is a good option for the artists that use it.

Re:Tell HN: Amazon.com is limiting purchases of Audio CDs to... by justsomehnguy on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @12:26AM (#31163928)
While your points are true there is no need to use polycarbonate disks for this.

I'm still not sure where I stuffed my ThinkPad X301, the only machine in the house with a (working (the last time I tried (3 years ago))) DVD.

Re:Tell HN: Amazon.com is limiting purchases of Audio CDs to... by jkaplowitz on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @12:49AM (#31164023)
External USB optical disc players are widely available and convenient enough for ripping purposes. And people who listen to a lot of music might have a traditional CD player hooked up to a living room receiver - I know someone who even still has one with a CD changer feature.
Re:Tell HN: Amazon.com is limiting purchases of Audio CDs to... by wedowhatwedo on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @10:54AM (#31168229)
Blu-Ray movie players will play audio CDs (at least the ones I tried did). Mine has digital audio output to send it to the DAC in my amplifier.
Re:Tell HN: Amazon.com is limiting purchases of Audio CDs to... by jandrese on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @12:45AM (#31164005)
To actually own the music, even if the service gets shut down? Sure physically mailing the media is more wasteful than a simple Internet transfer, but physical ownership has perks. Plus, you can always rip the disc at home and then stash it away for a rainy day.
Re:Tell HN: Amazon.com is limiting purchases of Audio CDs to... by zenexer on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @12:44AM (#31164004)
Archival.

CD-ROMs last a long time, unlike magnetic media, SSDs, and CD-Rs. If I buy a CD-ROM, I know it’s going to outlive me. I often listen to artists who disappear—along with their libraries. Some produce actual CD-ROMs before disappearing, though that seems like a poor investment for an indie band.

I carefully back up my music, but nothing I can make is as durable as a CD-ROM. Cloud backups are great, and I have plenty of local copies, but that CD-ROM beats them all as long as my house doesn’t burn down. It’s not going anywhere.

Re:Tell HN: Amazon.com is limiting purchases of Audio CDs to... by Wowfunhappy on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @12:51AM (#31164037)
> I carefully back up my music, but nothing I can make is as durable as a CD-ROM.

You might consider M-Discs, which are optical discs as large as 100 GB (BDXL) that you can burn yourself, and which should have the same longevity as a CD-ROM.

Of course, if CDs are working for you, this may not be a problem that needs to be solved. ;)

Re:Tell HN: Amazon.com is limiting purchases of Audio CDs to... by tablespoon on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:01AM (#31164441)
> You might consider M-Discs, which are optical discs as large as 100 GB (BDXL) that you can burn yourself, and which should have the same longevity as a CD-ROM.

It's not clear to me that there's anything special about the BDR M-Discs vs. other BDR discs.

It looked like original DVD M-Discs have been discontinued, last time I checked. IIRC, those where the things that all the articles about M-Disc longevity were written about.

Re:Tell HN: Amazon.com is limiting purchases of Audio CDs to... by Wowfunhappy on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:11AM (#31164512)
I haven't seen any studies on the BluRays, but I've seen several blog posts that I found pretty convincing. This is the only one I could find in three minutes of googling, but I'm really quite sure I've seen others: http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/indexmag.html?http://www...

(In particular, I think there was an article on HN a few weeks ago that did tests with both M-Disc BluRays and another brand. The M-Disc wasn't magic but it was a decisive winner.)

Re:Tell HN: Amazon.com is limiting purchases of Audio CDs to... by tablespoon on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:19PM (#31171104)
> I haven't seen any studies on the BluRays, but I've seen several blog posts that I found pretty convincing. This is the only one I could find in three minutes of googling, but I'm really quite sure I've seen others: http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/indexmag.html?http://www...

That's interesting. However I still have a couple questions:

1. My understanding there are significant brand-to-brand quality differences with optical disks. A better comparison might be Verbatim regular BDR vs. Verbatim M-DISC BDR than TDK regular BDR vs. M-DISC.

2. That article is from 2016, and I wonder if it holds up. From what I've read about optical disks, even were the disc was manufactured can be significant within the same brand. IIRC, back then they might have been making them in Japan, and I don't think they do that anymore.

Re:Tell HN: Amazon.com is limiting purchases of Audio CDs to... by zenexer on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:13AM (#31164184)
I’ve considered it, but part of what’s nice about CD-ROMs is the convenience. I can click a button and have a fantastic archive in my mailbox the next day. For other people, it’s a method that doesn’t require any technical knowledge. Want to archive your music forever? Don’t want to learn how to properly back up digital data? Buy a CD-ROM.
Re:Tell HN: Amazon.com is limiting purchases of Audio CDs to... by eadmund on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @08:48AM (#31166804)
> If I buy a CD-ROM, I know it’s going to outlive me.

Not necessarily true: they do degrade over time. DVDs are even worse, so I imagine (without evidence) that Blu-Ray discs are even more sensitive.

Really, you want to move your physical media to lossless digital as soon as you get it, and store it in a format that is both backed up and resilient to bit flips.

Re:Tell HN: Amazon.com is limiting purchases of Audio CDs to... by zenexer on Thursday April 28, 2022 @09:12AM (#31192040)
CD-ROMs typically don’t degrade. CD-Rs and such do.

CD-ROMs have physical pits etched into the plastic, as do mass-produced DVDs and BDs. These advantages don’t apply to discs you produce yourself, however.

It can happen, but it’s rare—not so rare that I forgo backups, but rare enough that I continue to maintain an archive of actual CD-ROMs.

Re:Tell HN: Amazon.com is limiting purchases of Audio CDs to... by Beltalowda on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:37AM (#31164298)
CDs are subject to rot though; the rate differs a bit based on the type and probably also brand and such, but in general I wouldn't expect them to live more than a few decades.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disc_rot

Re:Tell HN: Amazon.com is limiting purchases of Audio CDs to... by OneLeggedCat on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @12:23AM (#31163911)
Because often it's like $5 for a CD from Amazon, but like $11 for the mp3's?