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Re:What doctors wish patients knew about long Covid by codyb on Sunday March 20, 2022 @08:41PM (#30748597)
Hmm… those first four seem to be small asks of the citizen for a common good (whether or not you agree that fighting climate change or wearing masks is a common good is a bit irrelevant, the framers of such asks would believe so), where as the last one seems to be a rather large surveillance apparatus.

It just does not follow to me that asking people to wear masks during a pandemic or to raise taxes to pay for something (done literally all the time) lead to a dystopian surveillance hellscape.

Re:What doctors wish patients knew about long Covid by gillytech on Sunday March 20, 2022 @08:46PM (#30748646)
Exactly. "What's the big deal?" right?
Re:What doctors wish patients knew about long Covid by codyb on Sunday March 20, 2022 @09:16PM (#30748887)
No, look I’m as happy as the next guy all the mandates are going away but I would be extremely opposed to the social status thing.

Just because someone is willing to wear a mask or get vaccinated during a pandemic does not mean they would be fine with a massive surveillance state. That’s a _crazy_ leap

Re:What doctors wish patients knew about long Covid by gillytech on Sunday March 20, 2022 @10:08PM (#30749246)
That's a fair point. I'll engage.

My point on that is the Boiling Frog analogy. [1]

We all brush our teeth (mostly) because we want to preserve their health. And we wish to avoid the pain of abscesses and the dentist's drill.

The government doesn't MANDATE that we brush our teeth.

They have worked hard to make us think that the mandates are not for you but your neighbor, meaning they protect your neighbor from you. But that just isn't the case. We know that the vaccine will not stop infection or spread, and the only useful masks are the ones that will protect you from inhaling the aerosolized infective agent.

So this would come down to personal choice.

What we're seeing on a global scale is an infrastructure being put in place ever so slowly based on shocking and jarring events. Piece by piece. This has been going on since the turn of the 20th century. Maybe earlier.

DO you think the infrastructure being built for vaccine passports is going to be limited to vaccines or travel? If legislation like the PATRIOT act and dark projects like Prism have taught us anything it's that once the foot is in the door it will not retract.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

Re:What doctors wish patients knew about long Covid by codyb on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @06:18PM (#30784247)
Huh? The vaccine passports didn't seem to be much of an infrastructure?

It was a voluntary opt in QR code with pencil and paper back ups that's already disappearing?

They seemed purely convenience focused to me.

Are you this concerned that people need driver's licenses to drive and insurance?

Re:What doctors wish patients knew about long Covid by pthread_t on Sunday March 20, 2022 @08:39PM (#30748585)
> Don't mandate it.

How far do we take this? Should we stop forcing people to get the MMR vaccine? Polio vaccine? Hep A?

Re:What doctors wish patients knew about long Covid by gillytech on Sunday March 20, 2022 @10:16PM (#30749293)
The mRNA vaccine is not your grandpa's vaccine. This is a new and experimental technology that is not even close to being fully understood. And there is no data on very long term adverse events.

The trial data will not be released by the FDA for another 55 years or so [1]

The J&J Janssen vaccine is a more traditional vaccine and it's not pushed by the media or the governments almost at all.

[1] https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/wait-what-fda-wants...

Re:What doctors wish patients knew about long Covid by internet_user on Sunday March 20, 2022 @11:05PM (#30749736)
J&J is a viral vector vaccine and it's also a very new tech. Only 6 are approved. 4 for covid, 2 for ebola. It's just a crappy vaccine, that's why it's not being pushed hard.

The inactivated vaccine, which is the actual well established old tech, seems to have worked just as well, or just as poorly, depending on how you percieve the vaccine efficacy.

India used mostly the inactivated vaccine, where nearly a billion people have been vaccinated with it. Apparently, that's just not good enough for several western countries that demand you MUST get an mRNA shot, despite being fully vaccinated by inactivated vaccines that were accepted as effective by the WHO. Clearly purely scientific decisions. /s

It gets even better. Licensed Astrazeneca vaccine that was made in India is not accepted by the EU, only the UK version that's sold under a different label. duh, this is obviously The Science. /s

Most of pharma in the world is manufactured in India, btw. Usually good enough, but for some reason not in a critical emergency such as a pandemic.

Why is that?

Re:What doctors wish patients knew about long Covid by throwaway984393 on Sunday March 20, 2022 @09:22PM (#30748938)
Oh hey look, it's an anti-vaxxer here to tell us that we need to get measles so we can have liberty.
Re:What doctors wish patients knew about long Covid by gillytech on Sunday March 20, 2022 @10:19PM (#30749324)
I got the vaccine. Does that make me anti-vaxx? I'm anti-mandate for an experimental drug that is not fully understood.

I am ok with the MMR and tetanus and the older traditional vaccines. They have been very rigorously tested and proven. I got all those for school and whatnot and I'm cool with that.

Re:What doctors wish patients knew about long Covid by stonogo on Sunday March 20, 2022 @08:44PM (#30748632)
Your comment might have been more effective in reply to someone supporting a mask mandate, instead of someone choosing to wear one.