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Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by gruez on Monday December 06, 2021 @05:02PM (#29466276)
They can, it's just that the trade-off isn't worth appeasing a few HN readers.

>The reason earbud companies use non-replaceable rechargeable batteries is simple: It makes the earbuds smaller. Earbud buyers generally prefer more compact devices, but that means the earbuds have less room inside for all the necessary components. Designers need to cram a Bluetooth chip and processor, an antenna, a battery, drivers, controls, and microphones into something that’s often the size of a thimble. Replaceable battery compartments require more earbud real estate, and in a competitive field where tiny is currently king, companies don’t want to risk their earbuds being flops by making them bigger.

https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/blog/your-wireless-earbud...

Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by moooo99 on Monday December 06, 2021 @05:31PM (#29466568)
I think it is fairly impressive that Apple managed turn 200€ earbuds into disposable tech where users accept that they have to switch every two years or so. Before the arrival of the first generation AirPods, most people wearing AirPods today would probably have never even considered spending 200€ on a pair of earbuds/headphones, let alone do that regularly.

But I have to admit, my AirPods Pro are incredibly convenient

Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by bspammer on Monday December 06, 2021 @05:38PM (#29466635)
They're easily on the list of things I would replace immediately if I lost them, without even a second thought. The price is nothing for the amount of use I get out of them.
Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by snthd on Monday December 06, 2021 @05:05PM (#29466310)
Another reason for the trend (in phones too) is better water resistance.
Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by boogies on Monday December 06, 2021 @06:59PM (#29467456)
> It makes the earbuds smaller.

How can we verify that’s anything more than an urban legend? The same sort of rationalizations were made for the removal of the headphone jack, and they were proven false (the iPhone 7 had such a big empty space inside it that a YouTuber was able to fit Apple’s external lightning adapter in, drill a circle in the outer aluminum, and have a functioning 3.5mm jack). These CT scans seem to show some empty space where the stem meets the bud, perhaps they could detach there.

Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by baybal2 on Monday December 06, 2021 @05:17PM (#29466420)
The reason is simpler than that. Battery will inevitably wear out, and it is a very deliberate planned obsolescence move.
Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by filoleg on Monday December 06, 2021 @05:22PM (#29466480)
I don't know about that. I still have my original AirPods, and they had no noticeable battery loss, and it's been over 3 years by now. They might have lost some battery if I tried to measure it empirically, but I have no way of knowing without measuring it explicitly, as I cannot really catch a battery loss of less than 5-10% with normal use over the course of 3+ years. But I use them all the time interchangeably with Airpods Pro, and both deliver on battery so far. Airpods Pro have already hit the 2-year mark for me as well, no issues either.

I had to replace one of the OG airpods because I lost it (around 2 years ago), but replacing a single airpod was only like $50.

Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by gnicholas on Monday December 06, 2021 @05:56PM (#29466826)
Interesting! After 2 years, I'm down to 1 hour of battery life in my second generation AirPods. Fortunately I use one at a time, so I just swap back and forth between them when one dies.

My bigger issue is that my AirPods no longer give a warning when they're getting low on battery. The first time the sound chimes marks 3 seconds until it's about to die. I'm left scrambling to get my other one out as my phone reverts to handset audio (in my pocket).

Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by genewitch on Monday December 06, 2021 @08:16PM (#29468050)
My android garbage phone pauses media if Bluetooth goes away. The only thing that won't is a literal LTE/4g call, that goes to handset.
Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by gruez on Monday December 06, 2021 @08:28PM (#29468126)
I was baffled at that comment too. iOS should pause playback on headphone disconnection (wired or otherwise) as well. My only guess would be some sort of rogue app that doesn't respond to OS notifications, so it continues to play sound even after disconnection. In that case the OS would obligingly send the audio stream to the default device (ie. on device speakers). That said the default apps (eg. music or podcasts) should be fine.
Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by gnicholas on Monday December 06, 2021 @09:25PM (#29468505)
This happens most often on calls, since battery life is much worse (60%?) when speaker and mic are being used. That’s why I’m left scrambling to get the other earbud in — someone is talking whether I can hear them or not.
Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by newaccount74 on Monday December 06, 2021 @05:27PM (#29466521)
I got the original Airpods and after less than two years the battery lasted like 15 minutes in one of the pods. They are a disposable product.
Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by filoleg on Monday December 06, 2021 @05:48PM (#29466747)
Are you claiming that this is a common experience? You sure you didn't dunk yours into water or something?

Because out of all people I know irl who had airpods for 2+ years, no one has reported any noticeable battery loss, let alone something as extreme as "only lasts 15 mins". I would be livid if mine lasted anywhere even close to that, but so far I am solidly in the advertised battery life range, even after 3 years of use.

Also, just fyi, it seems like your unit might have been defective, in which case Apple offers free replacement (regardless of whether you have any additional warranties or not)[0]. If you have AppleCare+ and your battery lasts less than 80% of advertised range, it is also free replacement (even if it wasn't a defective unit). And just the regular replacement regardless of warranty or anything like that is $49.

0. https://support.apple.com/airpods/repair/service#battery

Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by newaccount74 on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @08:01AM (#29471949)
> Also, just fyi, it seems like your unit might have been defective, in which case Apple offers free replacement

Where did you hear that? That's not my experience at all. Apple denied that there was anything wrong with my iPhone 6S that suffered from sudden shutdowns for more than a year, before they introduced the iPhone 6S battery exchange program. That was a pretty frustrating experience.

> And just the regular replacement regardless of warranty or anything like that is $49.

In Europe it's 55€ per Airpod, so the total cost would have been 110€ (the second Airpod lasted a bit longer but still not enough to make it through a movie).

110€ seemed like a steep price to pay for two new Airpods with an old charging case that will cost another 55€ when its battery inevitably dies.

Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by Anther on Monday December 06, 2021 @06:02PM (#29466894)
I have two pairs of originals. Both have trash batteries now. I bought the new Sony XM4s. Remarkable headphones.
Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by 93po on Monday December 06, 2021 @06:04PM (#29466921)
I disagree - it's clearly what consumers want. There are a million phone options, including ones with replaceable batteries, and overwhelmingly people choose the smaller form factor with nonreplaceable batteries.
Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by wanderr on Monday December 06, 2021 @06:18PM (#29467037)
I haven't seen a flagship phone with replaceable battery in forever. I absolutely want that and would pay more for it, but I won't compromise on performance and camera quality either. But Airpods I don't care about the battery being replaceable. Maybe because I expect to have to replace the pods before the battery is useless.
Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by tinus_hn on Monday December 06, 2021 @05:17PM (#29466430)
Also, good enough is good enough. If the battery lasts about 2 years people want the next model anyway.
Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by newaccount74 on Monday December 06, 2021 @05:23PM (#29466485)
I'm not sure I would have bought AirPods if I knew ahead of time that the battery would die in less than two years and replacing them costs as much as getting new Airpods.
Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by tinus_hn on Monday December 06, 2021 @05:58PM (#29466856)
You weren’t aware the batteries were not replaceable?
Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by genewitch on Monday December 06, 2021 @08:15PM (#29468039)
That is not what they said. It's one thing to have non-replaceable batteries, it's another to have batteries that only last two years or less - generally the size (in milliamp hours) of the battery is what determines its life, so the battery is sized to coincide with the release of new models.

If you're fine with that sort of planned obsolescence, cool.

Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by tinus_hn on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @02:38PM (#29477215)
That’s not what I said either. I said batteries that last as long as the user wants to use the device before they replace it are good enough. Not that they actually die by then.

My AirPods are almost two years old, I use them every day and they are still going fine.

Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by guidedlight on Monday December 06, 2021 @04:57PM (#29466232)
PodSwap seem to have worked it out.

https://www.thepodswap.com/

Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by ncann on Monday December 06, 2021 @05:18PM (#29466438)
I'm curious how they did it. Is there a video out there on how that's possible?
Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by gruez on Monday December 06, 2021 @06:02PM (#29466897)
Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by spicybright on Monday December 06, 2021 @05:22PM (#29466473)
How? This seems only for people with good batteries that want to upgrade. There's no new pods with good batteries being added if it's just swapping.
Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by somethingabo on Monday December 06, 2021 @05:59PM (#29466872)
You don't need a good battery to swap. The point of the service is to swap yours with poor battery life. They send you a refurb from a previous customer, replace the battery in yours, and then send that to a future customer.
Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by gruez on Monday December 06, 2021 @06:01PM (#29466893)
>How? This seems only for people with good batteries that want to upgrade

No? The "Here's How it Works" section specifically implies they're replacing the batteries.

>we'll send you a pair of genuine AirPod buds with restored battery life that have been cleaned and sanitized.

Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by dkonofalski on Monday December 06, 2021 @06:30PM (#29467152)
There's no upgrade. You swap your Airpods for another set that has had the battery replaced.
Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by spicybright on Monday December 06, 2021 @05:23PM (#29466487)
This is the weirdest product to complain about this for. For something so small, replaceable battery hardware would double the size of the thing from the battery connectors alone.
Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by Gigachad on Monday December 06, 2021 @06:18PM (#29467036)
Yeah it just doesn't make sense to be upset at airpods here. The airpods are smaller than the AA batteries which are often just disposable after a single use.
Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by poopooracoocoo on Monday December 06, 2021 @06:27PM (#29467130)
But I'm pretty sure Samsung Buds (perhaps the first gen?) use some sort of standard battery.
Re:CT scans of AirPods evolution by spicybright on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @12:20PM (#29487524)
I don't know much about the samsung buds, but I imagine you'd be pushing out all the nice hardware and features the air pods have from doing that.