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Re:Colin Powell has died by rdl on Monday October 18, 2021 @08:46AM (#28904830)
I spent 6 years there, including some time "on the economy".

Iran-Iraq War and Post-Gulf War 1 sanctions were each worse for Iraq than the 2003 invasion (by far). The various problems with the occupation (which mostly fall on Bremer/CPA and GWB/Cheney) were probably within an order of magnitude of Iran-Iraq and sanctions, maybe even directly comparable. Rise of ISIS (also a separate thing) and general sectarian violence as also bad at that level.

It's hard to tell how far back the causality chain you should go. A simple "kill Saddam, put any reasonable other person in, don't extensively reconstruct the government, GTFO" was what I was assuming would happen in 2003, which probably would have been net-positive for Iraqis. If you are bundling "invasion in 2003" with CPA + sectarianism + ISIS, then they're collectively highly net-negative for Iraqis, but I don't think they were necessarily linked in 2003.

I still would have opposed it as a US person (because it was a distraction from Afghanistan, which ALSO should have been concluded in late 2001 vs turned into a 20 year quagmire...)

Colin Powell has a decent place in my memory for his work in the 1990s and before, but he definitely spent his reputational capital in lying to UN, even if it didn't ultimately influence the course of action. I could certainly agree with him perhaps even overdrawing that account in total.

Re:Colin Powell has died by callmeal on Monday October 18, 2021 @08:51AM (#28904876)
>Colin lie is inexcusable, but Iraq war was a good thing for Iraq.

Well, citizens of Iraq tend to disagree with you.

https://www.businessinsider.com/heres-what-life-in-iraq-was-...

Not to mention all the destruction of priceless monuments that the war brought about: https://www.jstor.org/stable/24590678

Re:Colin Powell has died by asteroidbelt on Monday October 18, 2021 @09:13AM (#28905087)
> Well, citizens of Iraq tend to disagree with you.

A story of single person is too little evidence to claim it for all citizens of Iraq or even for majority of them.

Re:Colin Powell has died by disneygibson on Monday October 18, 2021 @08:47AM (#28904834)
The estimates vary, but between half a million and a million people have died from the war and its aftermath. Not including Syrian Civil War or Libya, which were absolutely consequences of destabilizing the region.

No matter how bad Saddam was, invading was a bad solution.

Re:Colin Powell has died by pmarreck on Monday October 18, 2021 @08:54AM (#28904905)
My understanding is that the entire area is just brutal in general and Saddam was actually the least evil solution available at the time. He held it together through brutality, but he still apparently held it together, and now look at it.
Re:Colin Powell has died by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Monday October 18, 2021 @09:01AM (#28904972)
Re:Colin Powell has died by asteroidbelt on Monday October 18, 2021 @09:09AM (#28905055)
People need to live free, not to be held slaves under the least evil dictator. I’m sorry for all commenters here who value pity lives more than freedom.
Re:Colin Powell has died by pessimizer on Monday October 18, 2021 @09:12AM (#28905079)
Do they "live free" now?
Re:Colin Powell has died by asteroidbelt on Monday October 18, 2021 @09:15AM (#28905109)
Compared to life under SH, yes.
Re:Colin Powell has died by pmarreck on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @09:32AM (#28917889)
Do you have any data on this?
Re:Colin Powell has died by asteroidbelt on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @06:12PM (#28924428)
Under SH, there was a total information blockade, internet was not available, people simply could not know what is happening outside of Iraq except for what is provider by government sources.

Now internet is more or less available in Iraq.

Re:Colin Powell has died by lone-commenter on Monday October 18, 2021 @08:46AM (#28904828)
> but Iraq war was a good thing for Iraq

I wouldn't even know where to start. This is such an obviously illogical argument. I mean, man, c'mon.

Re:Colin Powell has died by arodyginc on Monday October 18, 2021 @08:45AM (#28904821)
go there and check with people, huh?
Re:Colin Powell has died by asteroidbelt on Monday October 18, 2021 @09:17AM (#28905120)
No you go and check.

This is a silly argument.