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Re:Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal ... by pen2l on Thursday April 22, 2021 @08:34AM (#26901998)
It wasn't really my take or opinion, I rather recalled it being cited as the reason by Foxconn itself in multiple instances. Also, I'm from Wisconsin, and an old EECS professor explained this to be the reason from his first-hand knowledge of some conversations with Foxconn. Here is one citation I was able to find quickly:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-foxconn-wisconsin-exclusi...

He said the company was still evaluating options for Wisconsin, but cited the steep cost of making advanced TV screens in the United States, where labor expenses are comparatively high.

“In terms of TV, we have no place in the U.S.,” he said in an interview. “We can’t compete.”

Foxconn has factories in Mexico, Chennai, Malaysia etc. which produce a significant amount of devices but I doubt a factory in US will take off. This article from 2012 about the Steve Jobs "These jobs are not coming back" remark is probably still true: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/business/apple-america-an...

Re:Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal ... by buran77 on Thursday April 22, 2021 @09:27AM (#26902475)
> I rather recalled it being cited as the reason by Foxconn itself in multiple instances.

It's more plausible that any company will give the more acceptable, easily digestible explanation, rather than the real one.

But really it's the politicians who won, first by banging their chests for all the investments and jobs they created, now for getting an easy out. They can't be blamed for not seeing through any ploy because they can argue Foxconn obviously had good intentions sabotaged by "a misunderstanding" that couldn't have been caught.

It's very unlikely (by that I mean close to impossible) that Foxconn just "blundered", went through many rounds of negotiations, and started building, while genuinely not being aware that the US labor market is different from the Chinese one.

Re:Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal ... by smt88 on Thursday April 22, 2021 @09:30AM (#26902494)
You're being downvoted likely because of how naive it sounds when you take what Foxconn says at face value.

Large companies are unlikely to ever tell the truth about their motivations, but they're even less likely to when they were doing something manipulative and dishonest, as Foxconn was here.

Re:Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal ... by CydeWeys on Thursday April 22, 2021 @09:30AM (#26902495)
Your mistake here is taking a multinational corporation at its word, especially one known for playing games with subsidies in other countries too. These quotes are the cover story from corporate PR, not the truth.
Re:Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal ... by LargeWu on Thursday April 22, 2021 @09:30AM (#26902497)
The alternative is that Foxconn is lying, and they never had any intention of actually opening the factory, which I think is a far more likely explanation.
Re:Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal ... by KZZ on Thursday April 22, 2021 @10:39AM (#26903258)
The new approach is contract manufacturing for customers who are uncomfortable with manufacturing being performed in China, speaking from first-hand experience. This demand does exist and is what is going to be leveraged in the new park.
Re:Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal ... by DaedPsyker on Thursday April 22, 2021 @09:17AM (#26902391)
You say stating the obvious and yet it simply isn't. It was a heavily subsidised political stunt that Foxconn could half-ass. They rolled out the red carpet, exempted them from environmental regulations and basically built the infrastructure for them. Even four years ago they said the number of jobs was a wish not a promise, they were BS artists.

They weren't some naive tiny company.

Re:Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal ... by Loughla on Thursday April 22, 2021 @08:56AM (#26902196)
I genuinely don't understand how 'international mega-corporation doesn't understand international labor differences' is a no-brainer. Please explain that to me. That seems like one of the first things that any company should evaluate.
Re:Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal ... by saalweachter on Thursday April 22, 2021 @09:27AM (#26902470)
Honestly? I assume the people who negotiated the deal are a different department from the people who would have implemented the deal. They went big and went home and now it's someone else's problem.
Re:Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal ... by bildung on Thursday April 22, 2021 @09:14AM (#26902368)
Is it really a no-brainer that a giant transnational company signed a multi-billion dollar deal without anyone investing half a day looking into the situation of the labor market of the target region?
Re:Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal ... by rideontime on Thursday April 22, 2021 @10:27AM (#26903121)
The downvotes might be coming from people who are actually familiar with the situation and know that the "obvious no-brainer explanation" isn't the correct one.
Re:Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal ... by Semaphor on Thursday April 22, 2021 @08:36AM (#26902021)
> Has the readership changed of HN or more specifically the commentariat?

My personal impression is, that it got a lot worse since Covid, which I attribute to more people doing home office and/or having more free time. Any discussion forum that grows gets worse.

But both my impressions and the 2nd part might be wrong.

Re:Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal ... by iainmerrick on Thursday April 22, 2021 @09:23AM (#26902439)
Any discussion forum that grows gets worse.

Huh! I hadn’t thought about it in such stark terms before, and I’d like to disagree, but there may be something in that.

Is that an original thought, or did you get it from somewhere? It sounds like something that should be an eponymous law.

Re:Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal ... by CydeWeys on Thursday April 22, 2021 @09:30AM (#26902503)
Eternal September.
Re:Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal ... by iainmerrick on Thursday April 22, 2021 @10:18AM (#26903037)
Ah, yes! But that applied to the internet as a whole, rather than individual forums.
Re:Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal ... by CydeWeys on Thursday April 22, 2021 @11:46AM (#26904087)
It does apply to specific discussion venues. Originally it was about Usenet groups, not the Internet as a whole. It applies broadly to any forum-like venue.
Re:Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal ... by Semaphor on Thursday April 22, 2021 @10:26AM (#26903106)
While it’s similar to Eternal September, it’s not exactly the same. It’s more that the more users there are, the more average things become. And I have a pretty low opinion of the average person.

It’s very visible on Reddit. Large subreddits have either very strict moderation, or they are low quality (I’m excepting picture subs here because they work differently)

Re:Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal ... by 1cvmask on Thursday April 22, 2021 @09:03AM (#26902273)
I think you nailed it with Covid. Critical thinking requires discourse, and discourse on all the possibilities beyond the dominant narratives or paradigms. Downvoting does not make reality or the “ugly” truth go away. We should be here to discuss and not be afraid to ruffle feathers and have easily offended sensibilities.
Re:Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal ... by sigmaprimus on Thursday April 22, 2021 @09:09AM (#26902319)
Beat me to it!
Re:Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal ... by sigmaprimus on Thursday April 22, 2021 @09:08AM (#26902308)
Since You qualified your own statement as being possibly being wrong, I would argue that more engagement alone doesn't result in more down votes.

I have observed that any comments criticizing anyone, regardless of wether they are justified or not seem to be recieved poorly on modern forums.

I believe this is due to an ongoing effort to make forums safe spaces, somehow honest critical thinking is no longer accepted in the current environment. Right or wrong, it is what it is.

So if You are really concerned with the fake points You are accumulating then just tow the line, get with the woke SJW movement or submit articles of interest to balance out the backlash from the mob....I probably better start looking for a good article :P

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Re:Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal ... by sigmaprimus on Thursday April 22, 2021 @03:15PM (#26906908)
Yup, it is what it is. Good news is the points mean nothing and there are plenty of critical thinkers still on this forum. BTW is it tow or toe the line? Homonyms always catch me up!
Re:Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal ... by 1cvmask on Thursday April 22, 2021 @05:13PM (#26908278)