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Re:Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for s... by mfer on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @09:59AM (#26647380)
Why does Google or Microsoft pay coders to write software. Their work is nothing without the big company bringing it all together and the brand?

Are you saying that the song writers should give their work away for free?

The credit is tied to the method the song writers use to be paid for their work. This is coupled to pay. When an artist puts their name on the song lyrics they are taking pay from the people who wrote the lyrics.

Re:Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for s... by mmatoscom on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @12:32PM (#26649342)
> Are you saying that the song writers should give their work away for free?

They have been paid already, byt fame is for the artist, have ypu been living under a rock? Do I need to draw?

Re:Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for s... by triceratops on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @10:14AM (#26647580)
Why don't actors just make a movie without a script? They're just words on paper.

Why doesn't an orchestra just start jamming, with no score or sheet music? It's just notes on paper.

Why don't construction workers show up on a jobsite and start hammering without waiting for plans? It's just lines on paper.

Why don't...you get the idea.

Re:Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for s... by pumaontheprowl on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @12:31PM (#26649321)
That's not an equivalent analogy. It's the exact opposite in fact. The equivalent analogies would be:

Why don't screenwriters just film their own movies? Why don't composers just form their own orchestras? Why don't architects just build their own skyscrapers?

The screenwriter example should make it obvious why these song-writers' complaints are baseless. A movie filmed by amateur videographers with no editing experience, no acting talent, and no marketing is not going to achieve mainstream success no matter how good the writing is. Meanwhile movies with terrible writing rake in huge numbers at the box office just because they have big name actors and top-of-the-line production quality (ex: the Avengers). This is because the script isn't particularly important to the success of the movie. Hence why the script writer doesn't get paid a large percentage of royalties.

If the quality of song-writing was a key determinant in the success of a song, the song-writers would have leverage to negotiate better royalties. But it isn't, so they don't. If you don't like it, stop listening to pop music. There are plenty of struggling artists playing their own compositions in dive bars on friday nights that would love your support.

Re:Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for s... by triceratops on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @01:43PM (#26650426)
> Meanwhile movies with terrible writing rake in huge numbers at the box office just because they have big name actors and top-of-the-line production quality (ex: the Avengers)

You sure it's just that? All the DC superhero movies also have big name actors, top-of-the-line production quality, heavy marketing and merchandise tie-ins. Yet those movies have been largely duds. They don't have the same resonance in contemporary popular culture as the Marvel movies. Or ratings by moviegoers and film critics. They're generally considered dour, stodgy, weirdly paced, illogical, or lacking soul.

The scripts for the MCU movies won't win any film awards with the "ivory tower film snob"-type of moviegoer. But they're outstanding examples of the craft of screenwriting for their genre. And I'm speaking as someone who generally finds superhero movies and comic books, including the Marvel ones, kinda tedious. I don't listen to pop music either.

The MCU movies have wit, humor, sentiment, perfect pacing, and a tone appropriate to the characters (Guardians of the Galaxy movies are silly and playful, Captain America movies are more serious, Thor movies have an epic/Shakespearean feel). They do a good job of staying faithful to the source material while still being comprehensible to casual watchers. You think elves do all that? It takes serious writing skill, and every screenwriter isn't capable of it.

> A movie filmed by amateur videographers with no editing experience, no acting talent, and no marketing is not going to achieve mainstream success no matter how good the writing is.

"Professional movie-making requires multiple specialists" is not breaking news to anyone. The topic of discussion here is one of the specialists don't want to share credit with people who weren't involved in their work. Would it be OK if an actor demanded a makeup artist credit because they ran a comb through their own hair on set once?

Re:Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for s... by emodendroket on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @12:53PM (#26649671)
This story is about them attempting to do exactly what you suggest.
Re:Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for s... by mmatoscom on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @12:34PM (#26649380)
THIS!!!!
Re:Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for s... by mmatoscom on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @12:37PM (#26649414)
Man, writers will never be famous as artists. They accepted market as it is, good luck now complaining
Re:Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for s... by mmatoscom on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @12:33PM (#26649367)
Not really.....
Re:Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for s... by jwandborg on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @10:00AM (#26647393)
Imagine trying to sing lyrics you don't know to a tune you don't know.
Re:Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for s... by mmatoscom on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @12:33PM (#26649356)
Exactly
Re:Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for s... by emodendroket on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @10:10AM (#26647515)
That cuts both ways, doesn’t it? Without any songs what does it matter how beautiful your voice is?
Re:Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for s... by pumaontheprowl on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @12:42PM (#26649502)
This is like saying Taylor Swift's grocery store deserves a cut of her royalties because she wouldn't be able to sing if she starved to death.

Song-writers get paid poorly because there is more supply of pop songs than demand for them. Taylor Swift's grocery store doesn't get a cut of her revenue because Taylor Swift could easily just switch to another grocery store. The same as she could easily switch to another song-writer (or write her own songs).

Re:Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for s... by emodendroket on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @12:49PM (#26649610)
They do get a cut of her royalties, when she goes there to buy food. I’d question your assertion that one songwriter is just as good as another when we consider how many hits can be attributed to the same people if you actually check.
Re:Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for s... by mmatoscom on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @12:34PM (#26649384)
Actual success singers are your answer
Re:Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for s... by emodendroket on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @12:50PM (#26649620)
No idea how that answers my question.
Re:Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for s... by mmatoscom on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @12:55PM (#26649724)
I mean shitty singers fucking rich
Re:Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for s... by emodendroket on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @12:58PM (#26649755)
If “shitty singers fucking rich” it sounds like maybe songwriters do deserve a lot of the credit for hits!
Re:Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for s... by andrewzah on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @10:27AM (#26647749)
- Consistently coming up with good melodies/hooks along with lyrics is fairly difficult to do time and time again.

- Without writers/composers the artists would have nothing to perform. It goes both ways.

- They’re not asking for all the revenue. They’re asking to be fairly paid for their portion of the writing. The artists still get their portion, as does the label, etc. They’re also asking artists to not take credit for writing that they did not do.

Re:Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for s... by motogpjimbo on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @11:14AM (#26648344)
Songs wouldn't get played on the radio without sponsors placing adverts on the station. Maybe we should cut the sponsors in as well?