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Re:As internet forums die off, finding community can be hard... by nkurz on Thursday November 19, 2020 @06:26PM (#25155604)
> They refuse to hire a woman, black or Latino developer explicitly.

I appreciate that you are making a specific accusation. Could you provide online evidence that would support it? This would indeed change my opinion of the project.

Re:As internet forums die off, finding community can be hard... by garbagetime on Thursday November 19, 2020 @07:26PM (#25156081)
Perse can't because

(a) Urbit isn't a company, it's a fee software project

(b) Tlon does hire women: https://matildepark.ca/about/

Re:As internet forums die off, finding community can be hard... by nkurz on Thursday November 19, 2020 @06:38PM (#25155728)
> They refuse to hire a woman, black or Latino developer explicitly.

I appreciate that you are making a specific accusation. Could you provide online evidence that would support it? If demonstrated, this would change my opinion of the project from neutral to negative.

Re:As internet forums die off, finding community can be hard... by crocodiletears on Thursday November 19, 2020 @06:16PM (#25155518)
The artificial obscurity is obnoxious, but the fundamental concept behind the project strikes me as a rather sound one, even in the implementation is a little immature.
Re:As internet forums die off, finding community can be hard... by tylershuster on Friday November 20, 2020 @12:28AM (#25157561)
I genuinely believe that the obscurity is useful, and not artificial as far as computer languages go. I don't work for them, and I learned enough hoon to read it and make small changes.
Re:As internet forums die off, finding community can be hard... by crocodiletears on Friday November 20, 2020 @03:06AM (#25158292)
I agree that it's useful. My understanding is that the project's unique nomenclature (but more importantly the way it presented itself) was specifically adopted in order to select for a community of early adopters whose minds were open to novel concepts, and who's initial investment to even begin engaging with it ensured a certain degree of loyalty, and created a somewhat closed community.

Urbit seems to be loosening up on a lot of that obscurity. Its elevstor pitch has really been refined, and its introductory posts do a solid job of easing you into the concepts and architecture of the project.

If you checked out Archive.org's earliest records for Urbit's website, it did a decent job of communicating the project's goal. However, by early 2014 its website had been rewritten such that it you could be forgiven for thinking it was some spiritual successor to templeOS, so far as it went to justify or describe itself as anything other than a jumble of conceptually interesting software components.

Moldbug did something similar with his writing in UR, or at least that's how he rationalized some of his rhetorical choices. He's brilliant, but I honestly find his writing a little obnoxious because of it.

Re:As internet forums die off, finding community can be hard... by tylershuster on Thursday November 19, 2020 @03:51PM (#25154193)
Urbit is pretty fast these days. There's also plenty of anonymous people on the network. And a trans developer works at Tlon.
Re:As internet forums die off, finding community can be hard... by trianglem on Thursday November 19, 2020 @03:58PM (#25154271)
Using Eco’s work against Americans. Disgusting.
Re:As internet forums die off, finding community can be hard... by tylershuster on Thursday November 19, 2020 @04:04PM (#25154339)
What are you even talking about, dude? It sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder or bought some propaganda.
Re:As internet forums die off, finding community can be hard... by trianglem on Thursday November 19, 2020 @04:28PM (#25154594)
It sounds like you have no idea what Urbit is based on.
Re:As internet forums die off, finding community can be hard... by tylershuster on Thursday November 19, 2020 @04:48PM (#25154779)
Look if you have address space you want to give me I'm happy to take it.