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Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by TulliusCicero on Saturday June 27, 2020 @08:13PM (#23665740)
Describing journalists concerned about bigoted communities present on your platform as "a mob" is certainly a hot take.
Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by Karunamon on Saturday June 27, 2020 @08:25PM (#23665799)
Allow me to add one of my own: Journalists' jobs aren't to share their "concerns", it's to report the facts. So much of the media's pathology is a result of the problem that news doesn't even try to be impartial anymore.

If you want to "share your concerns", the place to do that is an op-ed, or a blog post, or twitter, or something. But it isn't journalism anymore.

Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by adrianN on Sunday June 28, 2020 @12:33AM (#23666755)
News never was impartial. Just by selecting what to report and the order in which you report things you influence the reception of the world. I'd argue that it's impossible to have objective news.
Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by Karunamon on Sunday June 28, 2020 @02:07AM (#23667030)
That's not what I'm talking about here. We've gone beyond mere story selection to actual agenda-pushing. I.e punditry, not journalism.
Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by missosoup on Saturday June 27, 2020 @09:26PM (#23666099)
The word 'bigoted' is getting thrown around all over the place in this post and most commenters, including this one, seem to have never actually looked it up in the dictionary.

Bigoted does not mean right-wing, objectionable, or things one disagrees with.

Bigoted means unwilling to change one's opinion. Which certainly applies to the hard left wing end of the spectrum just as much as it does to hard right.

Bigoted: obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, and intolerant towards other people's beliefs and practices.

If anything, so-called journalists using a platform to express 'concern' over things they disagree with is a better fit for the term. The job of a journalist is to report, not to preach their own brand of politics or dislikes or concerns.

Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by eeZah7Ux on Sunday June 28, 2020 @05:29AM (#23667657)
> The word 'bigoted' is getting thrown around all over the place in this post and most commenters, including this one, seem to have never actually looked it up in the dictionary.

On the contrary:

"""One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ."""

It applies very well to people intolerant of other groups, ethnicity or race.

Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by missosoup on Sunday June 28, 2020 @06:15AM (#23667818)
It's not restricted to ethnicity, groups or race. Bigotry is merely the refusal to entertain different beliefs; whatever their groupby factor may be. Cherry-picking parts of the definition to meet one's idea of what it 'should' be, is the actual meaning of bigotry.

Please refer to the Oxford dictionary definition if you're still confused.

Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by eeZah7Ux on Sunday June 28, 2020 @12:06PM (#23669705)
Everybody can see what little game you are playing.
Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by secondcoming on Sunday June 28, 2020 @09:47AM (#23668661)
Well, I guess there's a little bit of a bigot in everyone! It may sound like an insult but really isn't.
Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by TulliusCicero on Sunday June 28, 2020 @06:25AM (#23667860)
No.

> Definition of bigot

> : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices

> especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by missosoup on Sunday June 28, 2020 @06:30AM (#23667880)
Not sure what the 'no' is in regard to. That's entirely aligned to my comment.

Or did you think obstinate devotion to opinions and prejudices only manifests in the the group of people you happen to disagree with?

Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by TulliusCicero on Sunday June 28, 2020 @07:25AM (#23668081)
You focused on unwillingness to change one's opinion. That's certainly a definition, but the more common one in use is about prejudice, especially prejudice based on inherent traits like sex or race or sexuality. I'm sure you're aware of that, which is why it's confusing that you're acting as if you're not.

I don't dispute that it's extraordinarily difficult to get people to change political opinions, especially on the fringes. That was never my contention, I made that pretty clear with the example of bigoted communities I chose being white supremacists. Not sure how you could misread that, unless you wanted to.

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Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by TulliusCicero on Sunday June 28, 2020 @10:03AM (#23668744)
> It's the inability to accept new viewpoints

No, it's not just that. I don't understand why you're being intentionally obtuse here, other than that the framing helps your viewpoint if you can trick others into accepting it.

Words can have more than one definition. Yours isn't the one I was using, no matter you wish it was otherwise.

Again, since you apparently missed this the first time around, or intentionally ignored it:

> especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by buzzkillington on Sunday June 28, 2020 @10:33AM (#23668943)
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less." "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."