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Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by pelliphant on Thursday June 25, 2020 @10:54AM (#23641454)
That is not true.

The only valid point you could make here is that the swedish legal system defines a broad range of "non-consentual things related to sex" as rape, where it would get defined as something else in other countries.

Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by DavidVoid on Thursday June 25, 2020 @11:04AM (#23641552)
If you're going to make such grand accusations against the Swedish police then at least cite a damn source. With all the baseless claims this thread almost reads like /r/conspiracy ffs.
Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by okamiueru on Thursday June 25, 2020 @11:18AM (#23641704)
I thought this was well established and obvious for anyone who followed the case. The timeline for this whole ordeal, the motivation for the original complaints, the contact the suppose victims had and the messages they wrote after the fact. Not to mention the breach in anonymity for these cases in Sweden.

As such, I don't think these are "grand accusations", this is more what one should reasonably conclude, if you followed the case from the beginning.

Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by DavidVoid on Thursday June 25, 2020 @12:09PM (#23642269)
If it's such a "well established and obvious fact" then cite some sources and give some proof that the accusations were faked.
Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by okamiueru on Thursday June 25, 2020 @04:48PM (#23645519)
As much as I do think it is a reasonable request, I don't feel like doing it. Or, I did, I googled it, read some articles on the rather suspect circumstances, the rather weak allegations, and the process that was poorly handled at best. It wasn't hard. It might seem like a rather poor way to conduct a discussion, but let me be clearer. I do not care enough to convince you, or anyone else. I meant to say the original comment wasn't as controversial as it was made out to be.

Edit: to those who think what I wrote merited downvotes, I suggest that the effort to find sources should not always need to fall on anyone who claims anything otherwise. To some extent, there is reasonable assumption that someone should be able to figure stuff out and educate themselves. There are plenty of resources found just in this hacker news discussion alone. And there are search engines when if combined with some critical thinking should get you a step further. I've had too many such back and forths, and facts and references rarely have an effect.

Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by thg on Thursday June 25, 2020 @12:22PM (#23642403)
Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by DavidVoid on Thursday June 25, 2020 @03:21PM (#23644443)
> But she said that during sex, Assange had intentionally broken the condom. If that is true, then it is, of course, a sexual offense – so-called «stealthing».

According to Swedish law, stealthing is rape. So even if neither of the women believe that they were raped, if the circumstances they describe would be seen as rape according to Swedish law, then Assange should be investigated.

However, Assange should definitely have retained anonymity during those investigations.

The Swedish police have been pretty incompetent (it certainly wouldn't be the first time [1]), but it is highly misleading to claim that the rape story was completely fabricated.

> A legal representative by the name of Claes Borgström was appointed to the two women at public cost. The man was a law firm partner to the previous justice minister, Thomas Bodström, under whose supervision Swedish security personnel had seized two men who the U.S. found suspicious in the middle of Stockholm. The men were seized without any kind of legal proceedings and then handed over to the CIA, who proceeded to torture them. That shows the trans-Atlantic backdrop to this affair more clearly.

The "Egypt affair" is well-known in Sweden precisely because it's the only such case. It happened shortly after 9/11 in 2001 and the people responsible for it are no longer involved in politics (the Minister for Foreign Affairs who ultimately made the decision to deport Ahmed Agiza and Muhammad Alzery has been dead since 2003 [2]). So to make the claim that Assange would automatically have been extradited to the US had Sweden arrested him is not a fair claim to make imo.

Like I wrote earlier: the police have definitely mishandled the case, but I doubt that there's been any kind of conspiracy involved from the start.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Holm%C3%A9r

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Lindh