I was accused twice by antifa people of being fascist myself. Once because I expressed my pro-archiving/anti-copyright views and another time when someone accused my friend (who is an actual anti-fascist that organises non-violent anti-fascist events in real life) of being a fascist because he does not agree with their violent policies and I went to defend him - in neither case they explained why they think that I am a fascist and I had no prior interaction with these people.
Regarding antagonism, in general people reply only when they have something to add or when they disagree with a post. If they have nothing to add but agree then they just upvote instead. I can't guarantee that this is the case here however.
Some times things become a thing of their own. Then differentiating makes sense.
Being anti-fascist is a good thing. Being an anti-democratic organisation which violently attacks civilians for having made the “wrong” vote in a democratic election is not.
ANTIFA has nothing to do with anti-fascism. Differentiation is not only useful, it’s absolutely required.
this is a lie though. where's your evidence of this? where is it organized? If "attacks on civilians for having made the wrong vote" actually happened at all, let alone on the scale you're talking about, don't you think trump would be parading arrested people around like bin laden? don't you think they'd have a list of wanted members?
it's a nonexistent boogeyman. so far in this thread someone has mentioned "they beat people in the head with bike locks". OK, how many times has that happened? Less than 20? Less than 10? Can't you see how ridiculous (and bad faith) it is to pretend that that is a vast anti-democratic organization?? Can't you see that this boogeyman is gonna be used to vilify anyone who opposes the fascism they're pushing for?
Or do you not care? Better to have journalists shot in the eyes, protesters murdered, beat in the streets so that you don't have to question your ghost story about thousands of angry ninjas with bike locks beating up everyone who voted for trump? I beg you to look through your sources and realize what absolute nonsense you're being pushed by people with no crediblity
Yeah I’m obviously just making shit like this[1] up.
This was happening withspread throughout the US, repeatedly, week after week after the last election. No need to filter the news to disreputable sources to find full evidence for ANTIFA being a violent, anti-democratic organisation.
> where is it organized?
No idea. I’m not an insider, but when you see it happen again and again, with the same masks, same kind of people, same and same name at different places, it’s obviously not happening at random.
> Better to have journalists shot in the eyes, protesters murdered, beat in the streets
Now you are lying. Nobody is in support of this. Condemning ANTIFA as the anti-democratic, violent organisation it is, does not mean endorsing other forms of violence, like police brutality. If anything, this is your boogeyman.
[1] https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/4/antifa-america...
"FBI WFO has no intelligence indicating antifa involvement/presence"
"The notice asked activists to “bring your friends, bring your crew and come prepared to disrupt the nightmare that is Trump,” while the site predicted “thousands” would show up “in opposition to Trump and his world.”"
Yes, that's called protesting. There's a twitter account encouraging protesting. What are you talking about?
There is a big shitstorm on Twitter and an edit war on Wikipedia right now, because the left wing of the German Social Democrats have appealed to Antifa.
https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antifa&diff=20053...
Regardless, the www does not discriminate based on where you live[note]. You get both Europeans and US residents seeing the same content, so I expect that to change soon (if it hasn't already - similar to the term "liberal" shifting from economic liberalism/capitalism to mean left wing).
[note] excluding things like "this video is not available for your country"
google searches are strongly ip-geolocalized
> You get both Europeans and US residents seeing the same content
I disagree. Most europeans do not read english content at all.
Let me cite the German Wikipedia:
> Antifa (Akronym für Antifaschistische Aktion) ist der Oberbegriff für verschiedene, im Regelfall eher locker strukturierte, kurzfristige autonome Strömungen der linken bis linksextremen Szene.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa
Here, Wikipedia describes Antifa as an umbrella Term for "autonomous groups" in the far-left extremist scene.
"autonomous groups" being:
> Als Autonome (altgriechisch: αὐτονομία, autonomía, „Unabhängigkeit, Selbstständigkeit“) oder autonome Gruppen werden heute Mitglieder bestimmter linksradikaler[1] unorthodox-marxistischer beziehungsweise anarchistischer Bewegungen bezeichnet.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonome
Describing them as members of "unorthodox marxist/anarchist" movements.
For all I can remember, this was the definition of "Antifa" here in Germany. Despite constant whitewashing and overton-window shifting attempts.
There are always out-liners. In the same spirit I am sure that you can find people self-identifying as non-racist fascists.
> to try and make their criticisms irrelevent
Their criticisms of what? Of the material realm? I do not think that trash-cans harmed me yet so I see no reason to destroy them. Or do you mean their criticism of capitalism/the current system/fascism/racism/etc? If so I agree with them.
It’s as daft as saying you’re against democracy because you dislike the democratic people’s Republic of Korea.
But he was a horrible, genocidal maniac.
Just because you are “anti-fascist” does it mean that you can’t be evil, especially when you use violence to intimidate your political opponents and cause injury and loss to innocent civilians.