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Re:OpenBSD 6.7 by UI_at_80x24 on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @12:13PM (#23236520)
>don't know why FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD a) split their already limited free/volunteer resources

I don't know why people ride motorcycles, skateboards, or school buses when trains already exist. This is not one organization, these are different groups all trying to accomplish different goals.

>why anybody would run BSD over Linux.

We have our reasons. You have already quoted very valid reasons, the fact that you disregard them speaks more about yourself then the motivating factors of others. You have been given technical arguments, political arguments, and real-world examples of why others think that the BSD groups prefer their OS of choice.

You have already made up your mind that BSD is inferior.

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Re:OpenBSD 6.7 by tomhoward on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @08:47PM (#23242142)
Nobody's criticising your choices, they're criticising your way of criticising other people's choices. You initiated the hostilities.
Re:OpenBSD 6.7 by aquabeagle on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @12:10PM (#23236461)
Which of the hundreds of Linux distributions that have free/volunteer resources split amongst them do you run?
Re:OpenBSD 6.7 by MuffinFlavored on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @04:37PM (#23239890)
i agree that linux distribution fragmentation is also "stupid". it's a free country/world, you can put your time into whatever you want. but if your goal is to deliver the best project with the best documentation/support/polish, you're absolutely right that 1,000 people working on 100 separate versions of "basically the same thing" is dumb

imagine how much success windows + mac would have if they were as scattered and opinionated as the linux community

Re:OpenBSD 6.7 by black_knight on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @02:37PM (#23238413)
While your comment is inflammatory and commits several rhetorical crimes, I will just reply with saying that there are many valid uses of BSD.

OpenBSD in particular is an attractive option for some servers, since it has builtin httpd, acme-client (for tls certs), smtpd and excellent documentation of how to get it all up and running with minimal, secure configuration.

While people have a tendency to believe that there is "only one True Way", and it is a popular argument that "X is most popular, therefore it is The True Way." – this is not in fact true for operating systems. Every system will have its drawbacks, and…

Regarding a): Everyone working on one thing does not optimise the quality of the outcome. A rich flora of operating systems encourages experimentation, trying out different compromises and learning from each other’s experience.

Re:OpenBSD 6.7 by MuffinFlavored on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @04:34PM (#23239853)
> OpenBSD in particular is an attractive option for some servers, since it has builtin httpd, acme-client (for tls certs), smtpd and excellent documentation of how to get it all up and running with minimal, secure configuration.

it is an attractive option that is less attractive than Linux because it is less popular and has less support

Re:OpenBSD 6.7 by saagarjha on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @07:25PM (#23241528)
n.b. to you.
Re:OpenBSD 6.7 by clort on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @12:21PM (#23236669)
Well, here is the answer you are looking for:

https://bible.org/illustration/die-heretic

Re:OpenBSD 6.7 by kstrauser on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @12:07PM (#23236429)
You’ve named three very different projects with very different goals and mostly separate developer sets. I can’t imagine a plausible scenario in which they would - or even could - join together, and it almost certainly would not make the resulting project move any faster than the separate ones do.
Re:OpenBSD 6.7 by yjftsjthsd-h on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @12:14PM (#23236547)
It's also worth pointing out that at least OpenBSD was forked out of NetBSD specifically because people couldn't/wouldn't work together. Maybe 26 year later the human factors are less (maybe), but now there are significant technical differences.
Re:OpenBSD 6.7 by MuffinFlavored on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @04:39PM (#23239912)
> You’ve named three very different projects with very different goals and mostly separate developer sets

that all accomplish the same thing, with worse polish + support than larger, more successful projects who don't spend time building on top of "slightly different variations" of the same thing

it's undeniable that linux has 10x the support of OpenBSD, and mac has 2x-5x the support for linux in terms of "actually getting stuff done", not tinkering with command files endlessly for no reason

even the "linux is good for infrastructure" excuse is starting to fade away as more and more things get abstracted away with k8s, docker, cloud-config, etc.

yes, by all means, they run linux. they don't (on average) run BSD. anything that runs BSD could in theory run linux and probably be ok overall. linux is not "worse" than BSD at any one thing and is better in terms of community support, performance, etc.

Re:OpenBSD 6.7 by yjftsjthsd-h on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @12:09PM (#23236458)
Right? Why would anyone ever do anything differently? Let's all just go back to the most popular platform, NT. After all, everything else is a waste of time. (/s)
Re:OpenBSD 6.7 by rvz on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @12:17PM (#23236600)
I know right? just imagine if WSL2 was supporting Linux GUI apps running on Windows, we wouldn't be needed a Linux distro install in the first place, Oh wait.
Re:OpenBSD 6.7 by yjftsjthsd-h on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @12:25PM (#23236718)
If you're running Linux for application compatibility, I don't think you understand why people use Linux. (Although yes, if you want NT and only use Linux to run apps that don't work on raw NT, WSL1/2 are excellent)
Re:OpenBSD 6.7 by rvz on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @01:32PM (#23237608)
At least for the desktop applications I'm developing, it is straight-forward to test them on Windows and Mac because they have the consistent underlying APIs that allow this.

Linux distros however are still moving targets and there's no common stack apart from the kernel which is predictable to test against. This is why its hard for some maintainers to reproduce an issue a user has due to possibly apt-get, rpm, install package or use snap, flatpak or appimage and the app starts to break.

Not a problem for CLI apps, but a problem for testing desktop apps on Linux. Perhaps you want your favourite app being fully supported and tested on your Linux distro of choice. If I know my app works and is tested on Linux distro A,B,C,etc I can confidently target a wider range of Linux users. At least that's how I increase my "Linux userbase".

The fragmentation on this however is another story.

Re:OpenBSD 6.7 by Koshkin on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @01:34PM (#23237634)
Indeed you can run Linux GUI apps on WSL. You just need to install one of the X Window servers that are available for Windows.
Re:OpenBSD 6.7 by asveikau on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @12:18PM (#23236607)
People were saying that without the /s in the 90s though.
Re:OpenBSD 6.7 by linksnapzz on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @01:25PM (#23237519)
Funny, I find any of the above to be mostly painless; might it be just you?