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Re:U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They ... by eightysixfour on Monday April 13, 2020 @05:04PM (#22859943)
The administration absolutely wants to privatize the USPS, see page 68: https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Govern...

Part of the plan includes a transition to a model "that delivers mail fewer days per week and to more central locations (not door delivery) [which] would operate at substantially lower costs."

The plan notes "USPS already has over $100 billion in unfunded liabilities, a substantial capital investment backlog, has posted losses for over a decade, and has no clear path to profitability without reform."

Except the primary reason the USPS has posted losses for over a decade is that, in 2006, Congress passed a law requiring the USPS to pre-fund retiree health benefits (supported by both sides of the aisle I should add) unlike any other Government agency or private industry competitor.

It really isn't hard to understand, the USPS is not playing by a fair set of rules and is losing as a result.

Re:U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They ... by cm523 on Monday April 13, 2020 @05:40PM (#22860391)
Sidebar to this, it seems interesting the Whitehouse uses Wordpress. Shouldn't it use something more secure like Plone?
Re:U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They ... by learc83 on Monday April 13, 2020 @04:51PM (#22859829)
There was a bipartisan plan to include 30 billion in funding for the Post Office in the 2 trillion dollar stimulus bill.

But the administration said they wouldn't sign anything that included emergency funding for the USPS. That doesn't prove what the administration's motives are, but they certainly seem hostile towards the USPS.

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Re:U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They ... by battery_cowboy on Monday April 13, 2020 @04:57PM (#22859872)
The reason is because in 2006, a law was passed that required the USPS to fully fund 75 years worth of expected retirement compensation. That's not reasonable, and was designed to destroy the service so it could be privatized.
Re:U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They ... by Shivetya on Monday April 13, 2020 @05:08PM (#22859981)
Well that is the line we are always fed but it hasn't been true[0] since day one. In effect they are under similar rules to most private pensions in funding out to 25 years with requirements to project what their 75 year liability would be. Another view [1]

Simply put, the use of the Postal Service has dropped a lot but the number of employees retired or eligible to retire has not. In other words, they have so many eligible for full benefit retirements that they were not even trying to service the debt and instead likely to end up defaulting it to the PBGC which would have gutted payments and left retirees in a lurch.

So what would you have?

[0]https://www.cnbc.com/id/45018432

[1]https://www.forbes.com/sites/ebauer/2019/05/13/why-aoc-is-mo...

Re:U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They ... by pietrovismara on Monday April 13, 2020 @04:56PM (#22859867)
I don't get why public infrastructure and services are supposed to make a profit. They are already funded by taxes, why are we supposed to pay them again?
Re:U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They ... by socalnate1 on Monday April 13, 2020 @05:01PM (#22859917)
In this case, the USPS is not funded by taxes. It has a nightmarish duality of both getting no public funds and being controlled by congress.
Re:U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They ... by pietrovismara on Monday April 13, 2020 @07:07PM (#22861167)
Well that sounds like an aberration of neoliberalism. My point still stands though.
Re:U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They ... by cameronbrown on Monday April 13, 2020 @05:03PM (#22859937)
In an ideal world, healthy profits are just taxpayer money saved that can be re-invested or returned to the budget. In reality this never happens because there's an incentive to spend, spend and overspend.
Re:U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They ... by m0zg on Monday April 13, 2020 @05:09PM (#22859987)
USPS is not "funded by taxes". Or at least it's not designed to be. It's not a part of the government either.
Re:U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They ... by bmelton on Monday April 13, 2020 @05:48PM (#22860499)
It is an "establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States" specifically authorized by the United States constitution, and (if you ignore its transition from the USPOD) predates America.
Re:U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They ... by artimaeis on Monday April 13, 2020 @05:11PM (#22860017)
The USPS does not have domain over the pricing structure of its most popular commodity: first class mail. That is regulated to the Postal Regulatory Commission. As for other services offered they do maintain control, which is why priority delivery starts at $7.15. They're also mandated to provide door-to-door delivery with first class mail, so effectively every piece of rural mail costs them money, but they can't do anything about it.
Re:U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They ... by dantheman on Monday April 13, 2020 @05:27PM (#22860239)
It's an idea that's past it's prime. Weekly delivery is all anyone needs, it's all junk mail anyway
Re:U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They ... by crankylinuxuser on Monday April 13, 2020 @05:44PM (#22860441)
Spoken like a cityfolk.

In the more rural parts, mail is very important. Cutting it down to 1/week is terrible.

Re:U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They ... by artimaeis on Monday April 13, 2020 @05:54PM (#22860578)
It's simple to establish that rural delivery has a higher cost to the USPS than city delivery does. As you've pointed out, cutting delivery days to rural citizens also bears a high cost in the view of those with diminished service.

It seems the exceedingly sensible thing to do would simply be for the government to subsidize delivery to the costliest areas. Unfortunately that would mean taxpayer dollars supporting the USPS and that's an idea that's seemingly untenable to rural communities.

Hopefully a solution can be found in all of this. I certainly can't see one, but I'm hopeful that it'll find a way.

Re:U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They ... by dantheman on Monday April 13, 2020 @08:39PM (#22861719)
Maybe people in rural areas can pay for the value they're receiving?
Re:U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They ... by dantheman on Monday April 13, 2020 @08:40PM (#22861724)
Why is mail important? Are people sending letter? Or is that they're getting packages delivered? If it's packages they can have it delivered and actually pay the cost instead of asking other people to subsidize their lifestyle.
Re:U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They ... by learc83 on Monday April 13, 2020 @04:57PM (#22859875)
Depending on the type of mail the USPS has to publish rates 90 days in advance, and there are regulatory limits to increases.
Re:U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They ... by m0zg on Monday April 13, 2020 @05:09PM (#22860003)
Perhaps ease the limits then? What's the endgame here? Let it die? Keep spending tens of billions on it each year in perpetuity while it delivers packages for Amazon and Chinese overseas sellers for next to nothing? Neither is a good outcome for anyone, left or right.
Re:U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They ... by learc83 on Monday April 13, 2020 @05:14PM (#22860059)
>Keep spending tens of billions on it each year in perpetuity while it delivers packages for Amazon for next to nothing?

According to the Post Office they aren't delivering packages for next to nothing. They are delivering them for competitive rates and if they increased them they would lose business, revenue, and profit.

Now this could be temporarily different due to COVID-19, but if that's the case then emergency funding would be appropriate.

Re:U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They ... by m0zg on Monday April 13, 2020 @05:46PM (#22860467)
There's no such thing as "competitive rates" to a lot of the rural USA because nobody else is required to go there, so nobody does. Instead, they let the taxpayer fund those package deliveries while Bezos is swimming in money like Scrooge McDuck. You don't have to carry water for him just because he owns WaPo.

And to add insult to an injury, the mandatory service such as first class mail is priced below competitive and cemented that way by law. It's as though certain people in US Congress want the USPS to be insolvent, and ultimately nationalized / tax funded.

Re:U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They ... by jellicle on Monday April 13, 2020 @05:15PM (#22860071)
Their pricing structure is set by Congress, which has refused to allow them to do so.
Re:U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They ... by rbritton on Monday April 13, 2020 @04:58PM (#22859883)
Responding to the sibling comment: they don't need to make a profit, but they should at least break even. Call it a price, a tax, or whatever, but it's capable of being completely self-contained where those using the service can pay the full cost of operating it.
Re:U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They ... by zaksoup on Monday April 13, 2020 @05:03PM (#22859934)
But what does "break even" even mean in the context of public infrastructure? If you're okay with calling that income a "tax" why doesn't public subsidy through... taxes count as breaking even? Nobody complains that highways don't "break even" but it's not like toll roads pay 100% of road upkeep...
Re:U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They ... by m0zg on Monday April 13, 2020 @08:01PM (#22861513)
Means that instead of paying for USPS with taxes or debts (and wasting half the money on unrelated bullshit in the process), it could just charge a sustainable price for its services.
Re:U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They ... by crocodiletears on Monday April 13, 2020 @05:17PM (#22860104)
Iirc, there was a lot of arbitrary funding allocated in that bill. For once in its existence, Congress seemingly (as I understand it, I could be wrong) passed a bill which largely affected only what it was supposed to, with a minimal amount of dead weight.

The USPS needs to be preserved, it's essential. The stimulus wasn't the place to do it.

Re:U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They ... by onion2k on Monday April 13, 2020 @05:03PM (#22859936)
Nobody in power has suggested this as a possibility.

Why would anyone go on record to say they're going to let a key infrastructure service fail? No one would do that. We can only speculate on what their intentions are, but it's reasonable to say a lack of evidence is not necessarily evidence they won't let it fail.

Re:U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They ... by osrec on Monday April 13, 2020 @04:54PM (#22859856)
Not a US resident, but as an outsider, it does seem like the government is not doing all it can to save the postal service, especially given the corporate bailouts they're looking to hand out.
Re:U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They ... by Spooky23 on Monday April 13, 2020 @05:16PM (#22860078)
It's a specific long-term strategy called "Starving the beast", implemented by the conservative wing of the republican party. Control of the US Senate makes it easy to persist policies for a long time. It's a somewhat unusual philosophy where you collect less revenue and borrow to cover the difference to encourage fiscal prudence.

The USPS is a target for a variety of reasons. Think of it as a leveraged buyout target... they have a ton of assets, from information assets to real estate. Carving up the real estate alone would make for a ton of patronage. There are also some extreme positions (which have prominence these days in some circles) that the post office and civil service is a manifestation of big, Federal government exerting too much influence over local affairs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast

Re:U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They ... by osrec on Monday April 13, 2020 @05:36PM (#22860351)
Do you feel this is a good thing or a bad thing?

I know that privatisation of Royal Mail here in the UK was terrible for the average user as prices went up significantly.

Re:U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They ... by Spooky23 on Monday April 13, 2020 @08:36PM (#22861707)
IMO it is an awful thing.