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Re:Yet another novel I will no longer write by stcredzero on Saturday April 04, 2020 @05:35PM (#22781725)
In rhetoric, the revolutionary slogan is "we're going to take money from the rich", but what happens in reality is more like "we're going to take the money from the rich and then murder them".

Also: The Kulaks in the Ukraine. Various persons during various Maoist upheavals in China.

Everyone has the same illusions to different degrees: "Our side doesn't do these bad things." Then, when the facts come out, "It was justified!"

Re:Yet another novel I will no longer write by bsanr on Saturday April 04, 2020 @06:12PM (#22781969)
The issue is that this behavior doesn't come out of some inborn bloodthirst, but rather a scenario akin to,

"We're taking you're stuff."

"I'll kill you if you try."

"Well then we must defend ourselves."

Inevitably, stuff is appropriated and the mob, in its losses, learns to pull the trigger first.

"Society" is this but both sides knowing when to stop before the shooting begins.

Re:Yet another novel I will no longer write by Udik on Sunday April 05, 2020 @05:56AM (#22784793)
I don't think it works like that at all. I think the cognitive process is more like

"they have all the stuff, and we have nothing. They have it because they're stealing it from us. And they know we're starving and they don't care, so they're existential enemies to us, and they deserve to die".

Thus the process is completely one-sided, and there is very little the other side can do.

Re:Yet another novel I will no longer write by bsanr on Thursday April 09, 2020 @10:15AM (#22822722)
I can see how someone on the other side would view things this way, deaf as they are to the protest of the lower half of the wealth pyramid. However, if the conversation is one-sided, it's not because poor people are quiet, but because they've been rendered voiceless by the inattention and apathy of the upper classes.

They'll still be surprised when the people who have been posting guillotine memes for half a decade start killing rich people. There was always an explicit, if ignored, desire to avoid that by having the system change before it was necessary.

Re:Yet another novel I will no longer write by pjc50 on Saturday April 04, 2020 @05:58PM (#22781880)
You're accusing a Jewish writer of Holocaust denial, which should be a bannable offence.
Re:Yet another novel I will no longer write by empath75 on Saturday April 04, 2020 @07:45PM (#22782453)
And also saying that it was Jewish elites that were killed. I’m sorry, no definition of ‘elite’ includes six million people. Grotesque and offensive on every level.
Re:Yet another novel I will no longer write by axguscbklp on Saturday April 04, 2020 @09:54PM (#22783110)
The vast majority of Jewish people who died in the Holocaust were not elites - however, it is true that German resentment against rich and influential Jewish people in politics, business, the media, and arts played a huge role in leading to the Holocaust. Anti-Jewish sentiment in pre-WW2 Germany was not very different from anti-Jewish sentiment today. Already back then, as still is the case now, antisemites tended to target their ire against Jewish people's disproportionate influence over politics, the economy, media, the arts and so on. The fact that most Jewish people are not rich and influential does not dissuade those types. For many or most antisemites, resentment against rich and influential Jewish people soon swells into a generalized resentment against almost all or all Jewish people. So, for example, the Nazis ended up killing huge numbers of poor Eastern European Jews who could not be described in any way, shape, or form as elites. But this does not mean that the resentment did not originally largely stem from resentment against well-off and influential Jewish people.

In my experience, most antisemites are fairly stupid* and it is hard for them to understand the logic which says "just because a small subset of a certain ethnic/cultural group has disproportionate influence over the society in which they live does not mean that every member of that ethnic/cultural group has disproportionate influence over that society".

This fallacy is sort of like thinking that, because most NBA players are African-American, it means that most or all African-Americans must be really good at basketball. Rather obviously flawed logic.

*Certainly not all, though - the more intelligent ones probably contribute the bulk of antisemitic literature.

Re:Yet another novel I will no longer write by Udik on Sunday April 05, 2020 @05:46AM (#22784753)
While I don't agree with the gp's vehemence, saying that a certain statement is "almost literally equivalent to Holocaust denial" doesn't mean accusing someone of Holocaust denial- but of something similar.

Btw, accusing someone of something should or should not be a bannable offence independently from the accused ethnicity or religion. You don't want to have classes of people who can or cannot be accused of something on a "racial" basis, do you?