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Re:Rare Gabon burial cave sheds light on little known period... by Mediterraneo10 on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @02:14PM (#22619593)
> desecrate their burial sites, further destroying their culture and identity

"Desecration" is not an objective concept. If the local people no longer remember that burial and regard it as sacred – and in the absence of written sources, seven centuries is enough to sunder any living link between a historical population and the population currently inhabiting a place – it is hard to claim that damage is being done here. Also, Africa has seen population movements, such as the Bantu Expansion, by which peoples living in a place today may not be the descendants of those uncovered by archaeologists at all.

This also isn’t something that foreigners are doing uniquely to Africa. Graves from this era regularly get dug up by archaeologists across Europe. How else do you think we know so much about the impact of the Mongol invasion and the Black Death on European settlements?

Re:Rare Gabon burial cave sheds light on little known period... by jacobwilliamroy on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @06:34PM (#22622076)
I don't think such information is worth violating the final wishes of our elders. I doubt any of those people died thinking that someone was going to come to rifle through their belongings and put them in a drawer.
Re:Rare Gabon burial cave sheds light on little known period... by wyattpeak on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @07:19PM (#22622523)
That's valid, it's just a minority view. Most societies aren't willing to interfere with recent graves without good cause, but few have any great concern for exhuming very old graves.
Re:Rare Gabon burial cave sheds light on little known period... by contingencies on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @02:11PM (#22619566)
In Africa, Belgium's presence in the Congo was particularly vicious. Then there's the Spanish in Central America, and the Tasmanian genocide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocities_in_the_Congo_Free_S... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_indigeno... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aboriginal_Tasmanians

Re:Rare Gabon burial cave sheds light on little known period... by quartzite on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @02:23PM (#22619688)
That's not true. Most of the iron smelting cultures in Africa dissolved on their own without European interference.
Re:Rare Gabon burial cave sheds light on little known period... by init on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @04:06PM (#22620708)
The site is from the 14th century. Europeans came to central Africa in the 15th century when there were still many well organized kingdoms and societies there. European interference in terms of guns and the slave trade was a major part of these cultures dissolving.
Re:Rare Gabon burial cave sheds light on little known period... by Mediterraneo10 on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @04:44PM (#22621046)
The GP is presumably referring to the Ghana and Mali Empires, which did arise in large part through ironworking, and then declined due to internal strife some time before European colonialism took off in the region (the former empire collapsed centuries before the Europeans arrived).
Re:Rare Gabon burial cave sheds light on little known period... by init on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @05:09PM (#22621279)
I was thinking more of the kingdoms of Kongo[0] and Benin[1] that are geographically closer to present day Gabon.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Kongo#First_Kongo-P...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Ashanti_wars

Re:Rare Gabon burial cave sheds light on little known period... by wolco on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @03:21PM (#22620247)
History has a lot to teach us. By not examining burial sites knowledge is lost. The spirits who's bodies are buried have moved on don't get stuck on form or belief that culture is static. Ignoring a culture is probably more disgusting.
Re:Rare Gabon burial cave sheds light on little known period... by jacobwilliamroy on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @06:31PM (#22622040)
Desecrating a burial site, rifling through a person's belongings, exposing their body to the elements and moving them to away from their preferred resting place to a basement. I think that this constitutes ignoring a culture.
Re:Rare Gabon burial cave sheds light on little known period... by mistrial9 on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @04:23PM (#22620857)
why does no-one point out the constant and enduring slaving of central Asia in these discussions.. for centuries ! the Western EUs were hardly the only slavers, they are just more wealthy now..
Re:Rare Gabon burial cave sheds light on little known period... by pinkfoot on Thursday March 19, 2020 @10:16AM (#22627677)
My guess is that you cannot get hard-currency reparations from poor people.
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Re:Rare Gabon burial cave sheds light on little known period... by jacobwilliamroy on Thursday March 19, 2020 @11:20PM (#22634382)
I am genuinely concerned. I don't want anyone to treat me the way these archaeologists treat our ancestors. I want to be left the hell alone.