If this sort of scenario seems normal to you, maybe you live in the wrong neighborhood.

I see a lot of shit when I go outside, but old geezers with entourages of very young eastern european women is not something I can claim to have witnessed.

You probably have not spent time in Midtown, UES, UWS, Chelsea, West Village, SoHo and TriBeCa in Manhattan, or Vegas, or LA, or Miami. I live in Manhattan and see this at every upscale establishment I go to. The old dude-young lady combos are everywhere in these places, part of the normal.

Old dude with a single young lady (possibly daughter or grand daughter) is something I've certainly seen. But a veritable entourage of young women? That's something I can't say I've seen.

If that is common in those locations, I'll be avoiding them.

May I suggest a trip to Miami?

Very rich people are not that common in general, perhaps?

Well, I guess I am not cool enough to go to places where I can see old-guy billionaires with teen models from Eastern Europe in tow.

Really? My wife and I see it often enough that we've even labeled it: "the wife or daughter game". You observe such a constellation and try to figure out which one it is. Less often the answer is "escort".

I play this game as well but call it “daughter or prostitute.”

It’s pretty common to see old dudes with young women. I’ve rarely been able to actually find the answer.

The few times I’ve gone to fancy resorts or expensive areas, I’ve always seen couples like this. Only a few times did I see more than one woman.

I worked for a ceo once who always had a much younger (25 vs 65) assistant in the building.

I don’t think I would change my behavior if some rich guy had two models in tow for business meetings. I might assume they are prostitutes, but as long as they aren’t children I don’t know what action I would take.

If you have rarely been able to actually find the answer, why do you assume prostitute? Sounds rather misogynist to me.

I’m not sure how it’s misogynist. It’s a people watching activity that’s just a pastime. Similar to trying to tell narratives about people sitting near us in a cafe. Just because I’ll never know if someone really is a traveling archaeologist smuggling artifacts doesn’t mean I don’t derive pleasure in thinking through the thought.

In the particular game of “prostitute or daughter” (also sometimes prostitute or son, although much less common) we try to pick apart clues that might inform the guess. Places we’ve seen them. Actions toward each other. Actions when apart. Etc etc.

> I’m not sure how it’s misogynist.

The assumptions about the dichotomy in the potential roles of women underlying the game are literally a textbook example of misogynist gender images.

I certainly don’t see that those are the only roles for women. But in a situation there it’s a 70 year old man/woman with a 25 year old who is not their spouse, I think those are the most likely options. The game also includes being able to rule out other relationship types just based on observation.

It’s also worth noting that these aren’t absolute characterizations but probabilistic. In no part of the game am I making some belief that the young women must be one or the other. But sadly/comically usually old rich dudes with young women who aren’t their daughter and they are acting romantically, it’s usually a prostitute, hopefully a consenting one.

It’s quite possible that I’m wrong in that maybe they’re married without rings or whatnot, but there’s no harm as they don’t know I’m going through this thought exercise, and I’ll rarely know if I guess right.

> But in a situation there it’s a 70 year old man/woman with a 25 year old who is not their spouse, I think those are the most likely options.

Sure you do, and while it is not particularly plausible that those would be the most probable—even from the categories of “family members” and “people doing their job by being there”—it is a perfect example of the Virgin-Whore mindset.

The game is daughter or prostitute so “family members” is half the game. Determining whether they are platonic, non-family acquaintances is part of the fun.

Misogynist: because you tend to assume negative things about women.

How do you validate your assumptions to ensure your mental model is correct?

Different levels of physical affection often make it clear. Put another way: you can't always rule out wife. You can often rule out daughter. But we also don't particularly care about being accurate all the time.

You don’t need to be cool, just live in a big city.