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Re:Alibaba partner announces 16 core RISC-V chip by dragonsh on Thursday July 25, 2019 @11:54AM (#20526437)
If you are worried about human rights, freedoms, you should worry about USA as well. There are enough ways to circumvent or interpret the law to suite the need, like border search and seizure few meters outside the constitutional zone applied to American citizen.

I have seen enough instances when first amendment rights are also bulldozed (still there is hope as someone emerges to preserve it). Arresting assange in UK trying to extradite him to USA, Snowden are just the tip of the iceberg.

Constitution is not absolute but a moving target with time. It requires a good faith constant effort to keep it and it's spirit alive.

I believe having a democracy does not guarantee it will remain same. The best example is India, where the current govt is bulldozing the constitutional spirit with amendments to turn it into Hindu nation and make it more like China where govt has absolute control. Anyone Who criticise the govt will be termed terrorist.

Both USA and China have their own set of good and bad, can't paint either with a broad brush.

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Re:Alibaba partner announces 16 core RISC-V chip by bogwog on Thursday July 25, 2019 @12:04PM (#20526527)
You're replying to someone that is criticizing whataboutism by using whataboutism.
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Re:Alibaba partner announces 16 core RISC-V chip by black_puppydog on Thursday July 25, 2019 @11:31AM (#20526241)
Then you're going against past experience. Part of the Snowden leaks was that the NSA was planning to do exactly this kind of thing.
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Re:Alibaba partner announces 16 core RISC-V chip by yumraj on Thursday July 25, 2019 @12:55PM (#20527065)
I'm not. I'm alluding to what a government can do with this data.

This data/backdoor/power in the hands of a communist autocratic government with complete disregard for territorial and human rights is an infinite times worse, on a completely different scale, than in the hands of a democratic government.

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Re:Alibaba partner announces 16 core RISC-V chip by black_puppydog on Thursday July 25, 2019 @01:00PM (#20527151)
Fair point as applied to the wider government. But a little less convincing in the context of the Snowden leaks which also showed that this kind of data was then used to extrajudicially kidnap people of any nationality on any territory and subject them to any number of human rights abuses. There is of course a difference in scale, I'll hand you that. But it's unclear if that difference in quantity is big enough to make it a difference I quality.
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Re:Alibaba partner announces 16 core RISC-V chip by tekkk on Thursday July 25, 2019 @03:35PM (#20528693)
Sure, but I assume that even those who were kidnapped were, in majority, plausibly interested in terrorism or something in that regard. So even though NSA snooping you is bad, at least they're mostly interested in terrorists or I guess spying other governments, I don't know. What I do know, that in China a big reason for government to spy you is to stop you from criticizing it.

I just can't buy that China is better than US regarding human rights. Or do people actually think the opposite?

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Re:Alibaba partner announces 16 core RISC-V chip by Doubl on Thursday July 25, 2019 @11:28AM (#20526208)
Unless you are not an American and many people aren't. In which case anything goes.
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Re:Alibaba partner announces 16 core RISC-V chip by jakeogh on Thursday July 25, 2019 @07:59PM (#20531080)
The current administration is restoring human rights. In the future we will look back on human trafficking the same way we look back on slavery now.
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Re:Alibaba partner announces 16 core RISC-V chip by Zardoz84 on Thursday July 25, 2019 @11:41AM (#20526324)
Tell it to the jailed childrens.
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Re:Alibaba partner announces 16 core RISC-V chip by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Thursday July 25, 2019 @11:29AM (#20526220)
Is it whataboutism? I think it is more just an acknowledgement that there is literally no escaping this kind of thing, so it is an irrelevant concern in this context. The point isn't "other entities are already doing it, so it's ok", it's "is there any hardware for which this isn't true? Then why is that a reason to dismiss this hardware?".
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Re:Alibaba partner announces 16 core RISC-V chip by ncmncm on Thursday July 25, 2019 @11:49AM (#20526400)
This, also, is incorrect.

US dragnet snooping has nothing particular to do with law enforcement. Nobody is allowed to know what is done with the stolen information. When we find out one use, that doesn't preclude any other use.

The use that nets the greatest return for any snooped information is extortion. Spooks are very familiar with this use, as it is their go-to method to "turn" people to recruit informants. Of course turning is only one of many uses for the same information. Coercion applied to public officials creates corruption, to judges miscarriages of justice, to police persucution of private enemies. It poisons the public well everywhere it touches.

Prosecutors are also very familiar with extortionate use of secrets. We see it in "plea bargains", where people are made to plead guilty to charges prosecutors could not prove in court, but that only scratches the surface. "Constitutional protection" is no shield against any use that doesn't introduce the facts in testimony.

Note that having "nothing to hide" doesn't help you if the secret is about somebody else, and used to coerce their actions against you.

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