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Re:Yahoo is Shutting Down Del.icio.us by chriseidhof on Thursday December 16, 2010 @04:26PM (#2013767)
In a way, companies should be in it for the money. That might even have prevented this. Of course, money shouldn't be the only motivator, but in general, companies should aim to make money, very healthy.
Re:Yahoo is Shutting Down Del.icio.us by lepht on Thursday December 16, 2010 @04:35PM (#2013815)
Maybe, but I think the only thing that would have been 'prevented' is delicious existing for as long as it did. They've tried to monetize, xmarks tried to monetize, both failed.

It seems possible that maybe social online bookmarking services just aren't profitable at this point in time, and can only exist as a 'public service'.

Re:Yahoo is Shutting Down Del.icio.us by petercooper on Thursday December 16, 2010 @04:37PM (#2013826)
It seems possible that maybe social online bookmarking services just aren't profitable at this point in time, and can only exist as a 'public service'.

People said that about search in the late 90s. Why Delicious didn't get into advertising is beyond me. With the way everything's tag-based, you'd have had crazy targeting.

Re:Yahoo is Shutting Down Del.icio.us by lepht on Thursday December 16, 2010 @04:51PM (#2013895)
Yes, but there's some major differences between bookmarking and searching.

The fact that the majority of users are naturally dependent on searching means there's (obviously) massive exposure to eyes and wallets, and there always has been. Whether that exposure could be turned into profits was what was questioned in the 90s.

Bookmarking is different. I'm going to offend some people here by whipping out my anecdotal evidence: I don't know _any_ non-technical (read: average) users who are interested in maintaining a bookmark library, even if the benefits were explained to them.

On the slim chance that we could somehow convince them that it was worthwhile, I still can't see most of them being interested in browsing tag clouds and bookmark trees of other users, which they would have to do in order to be exposed by this 'ultra-specific' advertising. Anything beyond using it as a regular browser bookmark menu that syncs across computers is pretty unlikely in my opinion.

Why not just check Facebook to see what people are looking at? Or, for the 'geekier' of the mainstream, just check Twitter.

xMarks, a bookmarking service with 2million+ users, in their going away blog post[1] alluded to this same barrier:

> We built it and it put it front of potential advertisers. Many were interested, but ultimately the feedback was negative: our user base was too small to be worth their time and attention.

[1] http://blog.xmarks.com/?p=1886

Re:Yahoo is Shutting Down Del.icio.us by jshen on Friday December 17, 2010 @02:38AM (#2015560)
It needs to be combined with something else. Imagine if hn or reedit knew which pages you like because they host your bookmarks. The homepage could be completely tailored to you, and now users have a reason to visit often and there is advertiser real-estate.
Re:Yahoo is Shutting Down Del.icio.us by metageek on Friday December 17, 2010 @09:50AM (#2016338)
And, in fact, reddit already lets you save stories, which could be expanded into a general bookmarking system.
Re:Yahoo is Shutting Down Del.icio.us by joshu on Thursday December 16, 2010 @05:10PM (#2013992)
they never really tried to monetize. they just put some ads on the search pages.
Re:Yahoo is Shutting Down Del.icio.us by lepht on Thursday December 16, 2010 @04:31PM (#2013788)
Google has their loss-leader products that exist for the benefit of the online community, but I don't think that this is (necessarily) Yahoo lacking that benevolence.

Let's face it, Google has a lot more capital to back non-profitable products. Yahoo supported Delicious for as long as they could, but ultimately it's hard to justify liabilities like expensive, non-profitable projects to your shareholders.

Google can do it because they've proven that their strategy stuffs the coffers regardless.

Re:Yahoo is Shutting Down Del.icio.us by eli on Thursday December 16, 2010 @05:11PM (#2013996)
Especially when you look at the vast number of unprofitable products they offer. (Pipes and YQL come to mind)
Re:Yahoo is Shutting Down Del.icio.us by lepht on Thursday December 16, 2010 @05:19PM (#2014043)
Pipes is a great example, with even more of a niche audience than any of the non-profitable Google products I can think of, aside from maybe Refine.
Re:Yahoo is Shutting Down Del.icio.us by cscheid on Friday December 17, 2010 @10:47AM (#2016540)
Who's to say Pipes isn't getting the axe either?
Re:Yahoo is Shutting Down Del.icio.us by lepht on Friday December 17, 2010 @10:49AM (#2016544)
...The slides from the Yahoo meeting that show what products they're axing?

(Yahoo is.)