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Re:Societal Collapse Due to Climate Change Now Inevitable Je... by mc32 on Thursday April 18, 2019 @10:20PM (#19696565)
I have no idea of who espouses option no. 2. No sane person thinks that.

One important issue I do not see, is population stabilization in places where growth is unsustainable.

Re:Societal Collapse Due to Climate Change Now Inevitable Je... by rexpop on Thursday April 18, 2019 @10:18PM (#19696554)
> moving production to vastly less efficient areas overseas

As a staunch, lifelong environmentalist, I am astounded to hear such advocacy attributed to my milieu: this is the first I am hearing of it.

How did you come to this belief about the climate-concern platform?

Edit: the closest sentiment I could find in the OP was this:

> Examples include withdrawing from coastlines, shutting down vulnerable industrial facilities, or giving up expectations for certain types of consumption. The third area can be called “restoration.” It involves people and communities rediscovering attitudes and approaches to life and organisation that our hydrocarbon-fuelled civilisation eroded. Examples include re-wilding landscapes, so they provide more ecological benefits and require less management, changing diets back to match the seasons, rediscovering non-electronically powered forms of play, and increased community-level productivity and support.

Re:Societal Collapse Due to Climate Change Now Inevitable Je... by mc32 on Thursday April 18, 2019 @10:23PM (#19696581)
I think their inference is that by proposing higher (pollution kerbing) standards for already industrialized nations versus developing economies, one is virtually doing just that.
Re:Societal Collapse Due to Climate Change Now Inevitable Je... by rexpop on Thursday April 18, 2019 @10:30PM (#19696615)
I don't know to what you're referring, but it doesn't resemble Deep Adaptation.
Re:Societal Collapse Due to Climate Change Now Inevitable Je... by everdev on Thursday April 18, 2019 @10:17PM (#19696551)
> 2) nuking some combination of India and China

No one is advocating for #2 or anything like it because it's a completely incompetent and reprehensible idea.

Re:Societal Collapse Due to Climate Change Now Inevitable Je... by ghda on Thursday April 18, 2019 @10:19PM (#19696559)
Better than letting human society collapse though. If that’s what you really believe will happen.
Re:Societal Collapse Due to Climate Change Now Inevitable Je... by rectang on Thursday April 18, 2019 @10:49PM (#19696703)
Pitting societies against each other when we all live on the same planet is appalling amoral trolling. I choose that we all survive together.
Re:Societal Collapse Due to Climate Change Now Inevitable Je... by everdev on Friday April 19, 2019 @12:58AM (#19697200)
Starting a preemptive nuclear war with another nuclear super power is probably the fastest way to ensure the collapse of human society.
Re:Societal Collapse Due to Climate Change Now Inevitable Je... by spaceheretostay on Thursday April 18, 2019 @10:23PM (#19696580)
That cannot be the logical follow-through. A collapsing society can do its best to recover - a nuked and destroyed, murdered wasteland cannot.

Climate-precipitated societal collapse is surely preferable to all over a large-scale nuclear war that is suggested to have been unilaterally invoked, tantamount to murder of billions and multiple genocides. That kind of 'solution' has no place in reasonable discourse about climate change mitigation or adaptation.

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Re:Societal Collapse Due to Climate Change Now Inevitable Je... by rexpop on Thursday April 18, 2019 @10:37PM (#19696648)
It does not make sense to do that, unless you're a psychopath.
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Re:Societal Collapse Due to Climate Change Now Inevitable Je... by rexpop on Friday April 19, 2019 @12:08AM (#19697024)
Psychopaths make up a very, infinitesimally small minority.

The world is not "full of" them.

You're a belligerent person, but you hold few facts.

Re:Societal Collapse Due to Climate Change Now Inevitable Je... by rayiner on Thursday April 18, 2019 @10:19PM (#19696562)
Dealing with climate change is a really important thing. It’s also a thing that scratches the itch of authoritarians and moralizers. (Right cause for the wrong reasons.) I suspect that’s why conservation and population control get so much more attention than say nuclear power or genetic engineering of agriculture.
Re:Societal Collapse Due to Climate Change Now Inevitable Je... by rectang on Thursday April 18, 2019 @10:22PM (#19696579)
Corruption. Our political-economic systems favor a tiny fabulously wealthy minority who care not a whit for the long term survival of the planet, so long as they get to enjoy the narcotic high of lording over their fellow human beings during their short lives.
Re:Societal Collapse Due to Climate Change Now Inevitable Je... by spaceheretostay on Thursday April 18, 2019 @10:19PM (#19696560)
Your first sentence is a logical fallacy (your second clause does not follow from the first) and casually introduces the topic of intentional murder and genocide of billions of people. You're the first to bring that suggestion up, but you attribute the idea to non-existent 'others'. Your next sentence is also a logical fallacy and AFAIK is simply untrue: "almost every...decentralizing the west"? I've never heard of any such proposals. This is no way to have any kind of reasonable discussion.
Re:Societal Collapse Due to Climate Change Now Inevitable Je... by mirimir on Thursday April 18, 2019 @11:31PM (#19696893)
William S. Burroughs satirized that approach in several of his novels. What I find is this, however: https://books.google.de/books?id=rbJvbXXvYUgC&pg=PT94&lpg=PT...

> Horn mentions The Club of Rome as a big player in the global conspiracy game. They are heavy into cutting down population.

> Me too, before they breed their peasant assholes into the sea.