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Re:Chicago is tracking kids with GPS monitors that can recor... by dragonwriter on Monday April 08, 2019 @05:22PM (#19609174)
> I'm sure the relatives of people murdered by incompletely developed executive functions understand completely ...

Lex talionis, one of the oldest principals of justice, came about as a limitation on retribution specifically because giving “relatives of people murdered” an excessive role in deciding the application of justice was recognized millennia ago as a fatal mistake for any kind of orderly society.

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Re:Chicago is tracking kids with GPS monitors that can recor... by dragonwriter on Monday April 08, 2019 @05:40PM (#19609312)
> I'm reminding the people commenting here that these "children" are being punished specifically because they have done things of real consequence that have negatively impacted society.

If this was a punishment for an offense, it would be unconstitutional as a violation of the right to trial.

If it is a condition of pre-trial release, it is would appear to be unconstitutional as a violation of due process, because this appears to be an arbitrary executive substitution of equipment with substantially different function, not part of the terms imposed by the court.

> The alternative is juvenile detention.

No, the alternative is pretrial release with GPS monitoring without audio surveillance as they were apparently actually assigned and as was done before the switch of equipment.

> But no, keep going on with the out of touch "awww, those poor innocent angels" crap.

I don't think anyone here has suggested that the children involved are categorically substantively innocent, though as this is pretrial monitoring they are categorically legally presumed innocent.

Re:Chicago is tracking kids with GPS monitors that can recor... by rayiner on Monday April 08, 2019 @05:28PM (#19609224)
> Words seem trite in describing what follows when your husband is murdered in your presence, when your father is stripped from your life. The horror, the agony, the emptiness, the despair, the chaos, the confusion, the sense—perhaps temporary but perhaps not—that one’s life no longer has any purpose, the doubt, the hopelessness. There are no words that can possibly describe it, and all it entails. - testimony of J. Michael Luttig (former federal judge whose father was murdered by Napoleon Beazley, who was at the time 17).
Re:Chicago is tracking kids with GPS monitors that can recor... by Pharmakon on Monday April 08, 2019 @07:06PM (#19610027)
We should have sympathy for victims, without letting them be in charge of policy decisions. That pain leads to the opposite of rationality. It’s up there with “think of the children” arguments in terms of harm that can be done.