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Re:Nearly Half of Game Developers Want to Unionize by deogeo on Thursday January 24, 2019 @02:56PM (#18992311)
> If employees don't like it, they're free to leave.

They're also free to bargain collectively. Why should 'freedom' mean capital consolidates and organizes as much as it likes, while labour is reduced to isolated workers making individual choices?

Re:Nearly Half of Game Developers Want to Unionize by crankylinuxuser on Thursday January 24, 2019 @03:33PM (#18992627)
Its 80 years of propaganda that makes people think like this. It is to be expected, since many of these beliefs are from emotion, and not from cold business logic.

The cold business logic says to consolidate and make partnerships/business unions.

Re:Nearly Half of Game Developers Want to Unionize by Zarath on Thursday January 24, 2019 @06:36PM (#18994148)
Shh, stop ruining the capitalist narrative.
Re:Nearly Half of Game Developers Want to Unionize by RHSeeger on Thursday January 24, 2019 @05:12PM (#18993564)
In many cases, that also means

> I don't like doing this, so nobody else is allowed to do this for you either.

Unions very often prevent non-union labor and, as such, enforce their own desires on others. Don't get me wrong, sometimes that's necessary. But there are negatives involved in unions, just like there are positives.

Re:Nearly Half of Game Developers Want to Unionize by Zarath on Thursday January 24, 2019 @06:37PM (#18994154)
Ok? And what about game companies who prevent people who want work-life balance from being game developers? 2 sides of the coin.
Re:Nearly Half of Game Developers Want to Unionize by RHSeeger on Thursday January 24, 2019 @07:48PM (#18994523)
Positives and negatives. 2 sides to the coin. The tone of your post makes it sound like you disagree with me. The argument of your post agrees with me.
Re:Nearly Half of Game Developers Want to Unionize by mytherin on Thursday January 24, 2019 @04:55PM (#18993416)
Programmers are not the only ones being mistreated by gaming companies. QA testers, graphic designers, etc... cannot simply "change jobs".

It's also not as simple as "you're free to leave". Most people working in the games industry are young. Many of them do live paycheck to paycheck. In many cases they may have also moved across the country for the job. Quitting a job is in and of itself a substantial risk for many people.

There is a reason we have worker protection laws. That reason is that companies can and will abuse workers without them. This has been proven time and time again.

Re:Nearly Half of Game Developers Want to Unionize by magduf on Thursday January 24, 2019 @07:04PM (#18994307)
>Most people working in the games industry are young. Many of them do live paycheck to paycheck. In many cases they may have also moved across the country for the job. Quitting a job is in and of itself a substantial risk for many people.

They knew this industry was like this before they accepted the job. Why do we need to protect people from their own poor decisions? These aren't people who lacked opportunity and got stuck in a bad place in life and need a helping hand, these are highly privileged people who willingly signed up for mistreatment.

Re:Nearly Half of Game Developers Want to Unionize by kazagistar on Thursday January 24, 2019 @03:04PM (#18992388)
> These people are only being mistreated because they allow it.

Yep. And they are allowing it by not unionizing.

Re:Nearly Half of Game Developers Want to Unionize by magduf on Monday January 28, 2019 @10:32AM (#19018166)
Yep, that's a good point. How many years have they had now to unionize? The video game industry isn't exactly new.
Re:Nearly Half of Game Developers Want to Unionize by kingbirdy on Thursday January 24, 2019 @02:49PM (#18992247)
Skills in game development do not necessarily transfer to skills in software development
Re:Nearly Half of Game Developers Want to Unionize by SeanBoocock on Thursday January 24, 2019 @03:45PM (#18992747)
Excuse me? Video games are software by any definition I'm aware of and highly complex software at that. More than most, software engineers on AAA video games need to have an understanding of the full stack including the underlying hardware to be effective contributors.

What is the skill gap that a software engineer working in games would have moving elsewhere? The only one I think of would be domain experience in TDD and unit testing. Neither is widely practiced in game development, but they aren't universal for software development more generally either.

Re:Nearly Half of Game Developers Want to Unionize by Arelius on Thursday January 24, 2019 @04:57PM (#18993436)
This is missing the fact that the vast majority of game developers are not "software engineers" While what you say is true for a large amount of software engineers in games. The vast majority of game developers are in Art, Design, Audio, QA, etc, where this does not apply.
Re:Nearly Half of Game Developers Want to Unionize by kingbirdy on Thursday January 24, 2019 @04:32PM (#18993204)
I can't speak for all game development degrees, but at least for the one my university offers they don't have much focus on strong CS fundamentals, and offer more of a high level overview of programming, writing, animation, etc, especially focusing on combining these in existing game engines. People who graduate with these kinds of degrees would be employable as game developers, but wouldn't be strong software engineers. They could transition I'm sure, but it would take time to learn what they missed in university, and given the work hours expected of them in game development it seems free time for learning would be at a premium.