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Re:Cycling Is Key to Safer, Healthier, More Vital Cities by village-idiot on Friday September 14, 2018 @12:31PM (#17988598)
Shaming people for intensely personal choices is rude. Cut it out.

Your argument basically presupposes that there’s something desirable about suburban homes, and that people not buying them is abnormal. I find this both unconvincing and historically incoherent.

Re:Cycling Is Key to Safer, Healthier, More Vital Cities by brightball on Friday September 14, 2018 @01:02PM (#17988893)
My argument is that not having children en masse as a group goes against biology. It's happening in a lot of places too.

https://www.businessinsider.com/do-it-for-denmark-ad-campaig...

It's not shaming to point out a thing is happening or that it a thing is biologically necessary to further the human race. You're welcome to call it anything you want, but there's a lot of "shaming" that's gone in the other direction as well. I've watched it my entire life.

Desired home locations are just a side effect.

Re:Cycling Is Key to Safer, Healthier, More Vital Cities by village-idiot on Friday September 14, 2018 @01:10PM (#17988964)
Okay, then I’d argue that having 2 kids goes against biology. And that moving to a suburban home and schooling your kids rather than working them in the field is unnatural.

That is after all, how humanity worked for a few Millenia.

Re:Cycling Is Key to Safer, Healthier, More Vital Cities by brightball on Friday September 14, 2018 @03:16PM (#17990037)
If people don't reproduce, people stop existing.

You're arguing for the Amish.

Re:Cycling Is Key to Safer, Healthier, More Vital Cities by d1zzy on Friday September 14, 2018 @01:56PM (#17989324)
Yes, having kids is (currently) still the main way to propagate our species. It may not be so in the future and/or when lifespans increase many times it may make more sense to make much fewer kids.

Even today, with a global fertility rate of 2.5 children per woman and a population of over 7 billion people I don't think there's any need to worry about biological mandates. On the contrary, I think that in developed countries where each human being consumes much more (and consequently generates more waste) than other countries the birth rate should be heavily lowered. Of course, our economy/society may not be engineered for that but better start doing it sooner than later.

Re:Cycling Is Key to Safer, Healthier, More Vital Cities by vkou on Friday September 14, 2018 @01:32PM (#17989152)
Having access to automobiles, vaccination, running water, and anti-biotics goes against biology.

On the other hand, getting eaten by a tiger, living with ringworms, having your teeth fall out before middle age, or having 50/50 odds of dying by the age of 4 is perfectly natural, does not go against biology.

I don't think biology is a great litmus test for how we want to structure society.

Re:Cycling Is Key to Safer, Healthier, More Vital Cities by brightball on Friday September 14, 2018 @02:11PM (#17989456)
Aside from automobiles, the other examples you have are things humans have done to further the survival of the species. More advanced versions of seeking food and shelter essentially.

Which is a natural expectation of the species...

Re:Cycling Is Key to Safer, Healthier, More Vital Cities by vkou on Friday September 14, 2018 @05:43PM (#17991235)
What if the survival of the species requires us to take steps to, over generations, reduce our population to ~1 billion?
Re:Cycling Is Key to Safer, Healthier, More Vital Cities by WoahNow on Friday September 14, 2018 @12:14PM (#17988431)
Or maybe people realize the raising kids is an enormous cost from both money and time. Maybe it's selfish, but myself and many of my millennial friends would rather spend their prime earning and health years doing what they want rather than what they "have to" do for kids.
Re:Cycling Is Key to Safer, Healthier, More Vital Cities by borkt on Friday September 14, 2018 @12:48PM (#17988760)
Yeah, also costs are rising at an insane rate. Health care and college are both an order of magnitude higher than they were when millenials were children, and even then many of us saw our parents work hard and still not build any savings until their kids were on their own. I haven't bothered looking for it but it would be interesting to see the difference in cost of raising a child over the past century
Re:Cycling Is Key to Safer, Healthier, More Vital Cities by toasterlovin on Friday September 14, 2018 @12:37PM (#17988668)
Just do yourself a favor and think long and hard about whether or not that's going to sustain you for the remainder of your 70-80 years on this planet.
Re:Cycling Is Key to Safer, Healthier, More Vital Cities by chc on Friday September 14, 2018 @02:45PM (#17989750)
Maybe not, but having kids doesn't seem particularly more likely to sustain them, does it?
Re:Cycling Is Key to Safer, Healthier, More Vital Cities by toasterlovin on Friday September 14, 2018 @03:50PM (#17990350)
Kids are the easiest, most straightforward way to give purpose to your life. You can find purpose in other ways, but kids are pretty much a sure bet. If you're not going to have kids, you should have at least given some thought to what else is going to keep you moored. That's all I'm advocating for.
Re:Cycling Is Key to Safer, Healthier, More Vital Cities by deathanatos on Friday September 14, 2018 @06:21PM (#17991526)
> It's because somehow, an entire generation has grown up with the idea that the one biologically necessary act to further the survival of the species...is not a good idea.

No, because they don't believe they're financially stable enough to support children[1]. Millennials have dealt with stagnant wages and rising housing costs.

(While some of the responses to that story ([1]) do indicate a desire to do things other than raise children, many of the responses indicate a desire, but a lack of ability. Additionally, leveling off the population growth of humanity would likely have benefits for the environment, though certainly some current government schemes assume infinite growth, and those will have a bad time.)

I'm personally in the "can't" not "won't" bucket. Real-estate in SV is nuts, and I will have to (as James Mickens calls it) complete the "sisyphean task" of escaping SV and its housing crisis.

[1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/05/upshot/americans-are-havi...