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Re:Long Live Mister Rogers' Quiet Revolution by bluejekyll on Friday March 16, 2018 @01:41PM (#16602424)
It's been so long since I've watched these shows, but like the GP I watched them regularly as a child. As an aside I can't get my kids into it, but they have enjoyed Daniel Tiger.

As I remember it, there were quite a few episodes where race was dealt with indirectly. By that I mean, the idea of difference would constantly come up in regards to things like the clothes people were wearing, or characters who wore glasses or not, etc.

Treating people the same regardless of differences was a constant theme of the show from my memory. Helping people, not holding them back. It was by no means ignoring the other-side of this, it just took the unapologetic stance that there is only one proper way to treat people, and wouldn't it be great if we could all live that way everyday?

Re:Long Live Mister Rogers' Quiet Revolution by tkahnoski on Friday March 16, 2018 @03:38PM (#16603435)
My kid was into Daniel Tiger and our first attempts at getting into Mr. Rogers didn't really get anywhere. Now that he's 5, he's all about it (although Nature shows are starting to be the usual pick).

That being said, we're very regimented in screen time. My son maybe gets 20-30 minutes of TV time per day. We've also changed the format where each family member gets a turn to pick what to watch so we can expose him to more things.

Re:Long Live Mister Rogers' Quiet Revolution by mnemonicsloth on Friday March 16, 2018 @02:36PM (#16602914)
I watched the show every day after Sesame Street and before Reading Rainbow. Good times.

I take issue with what you say here:

a> It was by no means ignoring the other-side of this

No racist ideas ever appeared on the show. That is the definition of "ignoring the [racist] side of this."

Re:Long Live Mister Rogers' Quiet Revolution by Erlangolem on Friday March 16, 2018 @02:41PM (#16602966)
I watched the show every day after Sesame Street and before Reading Rainbow. Good times. I take issue with what you say here: a> It was by no means ignoring the other-side of this No racist ideas ever appeared on the show. That is the definition of "ignoring the [racist] side of this."

Ignoring != suppressing. Ignoring thoroughly debunked and discredited notions is healthy, and universal. NASA isn’t suppressing flat Earthers by not presenting their views alongside their scientific discoveries. It’s the job of the flat Earthers to present their own ideas, not act as social and intellectual parasites while crying that others aren’t carrying their weight for them. Mr. Rogers, on his own show, presented his own views, and that isn’t “suppressing” anything either.

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Re:Long Live Mister Rogers' Quiet Revolution by sctb on Friday March 16, 2018 @03:44PM (#16603479)
Whether or not your intention is to troll, that's the effect. Please stop.

> Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Long Live Mister Rogers' Quiet Revolution by Erlangolem on Friday March 16, 2018 @01:29PM (#16602298)
It’s a shallow understanding of free speech and expression, not to mention argument, which believes that every issue has eternal value on all sides. Society doesn’t suppress the flat earth view of reality by ignoring it, because it’s been addressed and destroyed. Life is finite, and too many are happy to waste what time we have on craziness or hate, and we have no obligation to meet them halfway.

If there was some new information in the debates over race in the 60’s, then your point would stand. That wasn’t the case though, and there was nothing to suppress except a persistent, ancient, hateful ideology. This is true in the same way that balanced reporting shouldn’t boil down to giving a scientist explaining why the Earth is round, with a lunatic who thinks it’s flat. They’re entitled to their beliefs, and tell them to anyone who wants to listen, and we’re entiteld to ignore them like they don’t exist. That’s not “suppression” in a meaningful sense.

Re:Long Live Mister Rogers' Quiet Revolution by daveFNbuck on Friday March 16, 2018 @01:59PM (#16602604)
Treating black people as human beings counts as suppressing racists now? How could he have been less polarizing? Should he have started each conversation with "some people think that your skin color makes you subhuman and that's fine too"? Or should he just never have had a black person on the show?
Re:Long Live Mister Rogers' Quiet Revolution by Jtsummers on Friday March 16, 2018 @02:19PM (#16602767)
Rogers didn't supress the racists. He answered them with his own vision. That's a big difference. He didn't go out and stop them from speaking. They could've made their own shows (and probably have, actually) that countered his position. He presented his views, he had no obligation to present "the other side", they have their own voices.
Re:Long Live Mister Rogers' Quiet Revolution by stinkytaco on Friday March 16, 2018 @01:23PM (#16602260)
Everything could be argued to have two sides. There are still racists who argue that their view is legitimate, but that doesn't mean anyone is obligated to give it an airing.

I think Rogers was not polarizing because he delivered his views in a calm, measured and reasoned manner. Polarizing statements are ones deliberately calculated to reduce someone else's view or accusing the other side of something to advance your own views.

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Re:Long Live Mister Rogers' Quiet Revolution by dwringer on Friday March 16, 2018 @02:52PM (#16603052)
If I show someone peanut butter and bread, but I neglect to mention that they can be combined into a peanut butter sandwich, I still don't think I've done anything polarizing. I would not consider that "showing exactly one side of the peanut butter sandwich debate".
Re:Long Live Mister Rogers' Quiet Revolution by mnemonicsloth on Friday March 16, 2018 @03:17PM (#16603249)
But suppose peanut butter sandwiches were illegal, and people were fighting and dying in the streets for the right to make them. (That's what it was like in the 1960s and 1970s as far as civil rights were concerned).

So depicting a peanut butter sandwich might be illegal. Or it might be like marijuana, where depicting a peanut butter sandwich, while technically legal, is seen as an inducement to commit a crime and so is suppressed by extralegal means. On the other hand, depicting peanut butter and bread but no sandwich... well, obviously, a peanut butter sandwich is what would have come next, if the filmmakers weren't under the thumb of the government. Obviously

If sandwiches are contested, then showing them (or not showing them) is political. Civil rights was and is contested; Fred Rogers' presentation of a colorblind little slice of utopia to America's children was political too.

Re:Long Live Mister Rogers' Quiet Revolution by nitrogen on Friday March 16, 2018 @01:17PM (#16602197)
I think what the quoted passage was trying to convey is that Mr. Rogers wasn't polarizing or political in the way community diversity was presented.
Re:Long Live Mister Rogers' Quiet Revolution by hexane360 on Friday March 16, 2018 @01:22PM (#16602243)
This is important to understand because attitudes like GP's affect views on current actions. If you think the forward progress that people look back on fondly was easy and uncontroversial, you'll object to any forward progress that seems hard or divisive.