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Re:Peter Thiel Parts Ways with Silicon Valley by refurb on Thursday February 15, 2018 @10:59AM (#16385010)
The second source about apartheid is nothing but a political hit piece. Let's break it down:

- One source from 30 years ago where Thiel said that the moral issues of apartheid were irrelevant to their economy. He did not say "apartheid is good", he just said it didn't matter to their economy. I wouldn't agree with that statement, but even more important, I would make the link "Thiel thinks apartheid is good".

- The first source has the standard "this has been a lump in my throat for 30 years". Thiel has been in the media for far longer than that, so I guess it's just a coincidence this was timed during the Trump campaign.

- The second source seem irrelevant. She simply says Thiel said "morality and governments shouldn't be connected". Hardly a statement in support of apartheid.

- Note both sources are from individuals who had separate conversations about hot political issues 30 years ago. I have no doubt they were upset, but again that doesn't mean Thiel supports apartheid and he has already stated he doesn't.

I'm not really surprised by the article because politics in the US has become a "win at all costs" and "score points whenever you can" game. Rationale, logical discourse is gone. It's all about how many negative sound bits you can get and how many people believe them.

If this is the worst they can dig up about Thiel (30 years ago), he's got a cleaner record than most people in politics.

Re:Peter Thiel Parts Ways with Silicon Valley by BeetleB on Thursday February 15, 2018 @10:36AM (#16384833)
Regarding the apartheid thing, I was expecting some sort of smoking gun - a video or a blog post or something. We have little to back it up other than two people's memories of an event 30 years ago. I'm not disputing he may have said it. My concern is we do not know the context. If I think of all the interesting conversations I had in my years of university - I'm sure I've said much worse (with no regrets). Playing devil's advocate and intellectual games (not the manipulating kind, but the "let's imagine" kind) are par for course there.

Don't get me wrong - I'm a huge fan of NPR.[1] However, it's a problem when one uncritically accepts what they say. Many are predisposed to disliking him since his support for Trump, and so they lower their standards when it comes to pieces like this.

[1] Kind of sad that I feel I have to put this disclaimer.

Re:Peter Thiel Parts Ways with Silicon Valley by tuna-piano on Thursday February 15, 2018 @10:35AM (#16384825)
1. Discussing the economic effects of apartheid seems totally ok. In the 40 year old "quote", he seemed to separate the moral issues of apartheid and he just thought it was economically beneficial. Lots of things can be immoral but make money! It does perhaps show a lack of social intelligence in how he discussed it, but he was presumably ~18-20, this was 40 years ago, and a lack of social intelligence doesn't make someone a bad person.

2. He didn't say rape is made up! Certainly in theory rape can be either too broadly defined or too narrowly defined. Have certain situations moved toward too broad a definition? Thiel thinks so.

I have no idea if rape has or hasn't been too broadly defined, but seems a reasonable enough position to be part of the discussion.

Re:Peter Thiel Parts Ways with Silicon Valley by tntn on Thursday February 15, 2018 @10:32AM (#16384802)
It's potentially worth noting that both those statements should be past tense, not present.

My understanding of the apartheid thing was he said something in college that someone else heard and remembered for many years. I think that 1. People say stupid stuff in college, and 2. Thiel could have easily said something in an exploratory philosophical kind of way without fully believing it.

He has denied the apartheid comments and apologized for the rape comments. I'm not saying this should get him off scot-free, it just seemed important to note that he doesn't currently say these things, publicly at least.

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Re:Peter Thiel Parts Ways with Silicon Valley by malvosenior on Thursday February 15, 2018 @10:24AM (#16384716)
He didn't call them "fake news", he called them leftist media sources and that's a factual statement. The Guardian especially is anything but a neutral source.
Re:Peter Thiel Parts Ways with Silicon Valley by milankovic on Thursday February 15, 2018 @11:29AM (#16385266)
Exactly. There is still hope...
Re:Peter Thiel Parts Ways with Silicon Valley by anon1385 on Thursday February 15, 2018 @10:45AM (#16384902)
The Guardian isn't leftist. It's a centrist/liberal publication. Those are very different things.

(They also publish opinion pieces from other positions/ideologies, but that's a part of the whole liberal free market of ideas thing.)

Re:Peter Thiel Parts Ways with Silicon Valley by milankovic on Thursday February 15, 2018 @11:30AM (#16385277)

  The newspaper's reputation as a platform for liberal and 
  left-wing editorial has led to the use of the "Guardian 
  reader" and "Guardianista" as often (but not always) 
  pejorative epithets for those of left-leaning or 
  politically correct tendencies.
Literally taken straight from Wikipedia..
Re:Peter Thiel Parts Ways with Silicon Valley by jbooth on Thursday February 15, 2018 @11:38AM (#16385359)
Are those links editorials? No, they're not. They're straight reporting.

Are you disputing the quotations attributed to Thiel in the reporting? No, you don't seem to be.

You asked for examples of toxic viewpoints held by Thiel, someone delivered, and you plugged your fingers in your ears and said "lol facts don't matter". Don't be that guy.

Re:Peter Thiel Parts Ways with Silicon Valley by Fins on Thursday February 15, 2018 @12:26PM (#16385775)
It would have helped if somebody actually posted examples of toxic viewpoints held (as in present tense)by Thiel. Nothing like that has been produced so far here.
Re:Peter Thiel Parts Ways with Silicon Valley by jbooth on Thursday February 15, 2018 @01:46PM (#16386435)
Quotes from the man's mouth aren't good enough?
Re:Peter Thiel Parts Ways with Silicon Valley by Fins on Thursday February 15, 2018 @02:12PM (#16386641)
30 years old misinterpreted quotes? Not really.

Now, he may well be a white supremacist (although I haven't heard any complaints from his Jewish cofounders, FWIW), but these do not prove it at all.