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Re:Kim Wall: Headless body identified as missing journalist by jacquesm on Wednesday August 23, 2017 @06:13AM (#15080108)
Early on in the Reiser case there was at least some room for doubt because there were a lot of unknowns, however once the facts that came out pointed fairly uniformly at Reiser having killed his wife most of that evaporated.

Here there is very little room for such creativity, the amount of contorting one would have to do in order not to conclude that Madsen killed Kim Wall is speaking volumes about those attempting it.

Re:Kim Wall: Headless body identified as missing journalist by matt4077 on Wednesday August 23, 2017 @06:34AM (#15080202)
Top comment on slashdot for the article "Hans Reiser Guilty of First Degree Murder":

    US jury system does it again

    by QuantumG ( 50515 ) * <[email protected]> on Monday April 28, 2008 @07:34PM (#23231238)

    No evidence? No body? No murder weapon? Who cares! The 
    prosecutor used Power Point in his closing.. The 
    defendant is "weird".

    Oh well, maybe Hans will confess and reveal where he      
    stashed the body now."
(https://yro.slashdot.org/story/08/04/28/2243232/hans-reiser-...)

Edit: even sorted by "insightful", this thread is a nightmare:

by garcia ( 6573 )

    While I could definitely see why he would kill that   
    thieving bitch of a ex-wife of his, I don't think they 
    proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he definitely 
    killed her.
by dgatwood ( 11270 )

    typical jury is a group of 12 people hand-picked by the
    lawyers to be the most easily emotionally manipulated 
    people possible. You were expecting them to come to a 
    conclusion based on logic?
Let's throw in some completely random racism:

by OMNIpotusCOM

    I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. 
    Last I knew you had to prove that he planned to kill 
    someone with a first degree murder charge. If you can't
    prove she's dead, and nobody saw her die, and there's no
    evidence that she's anywhere other than where he says,
    you can't convict a person of first degree murder.

    Can you imagine what would happen if this guy was black?
by MBCook ( 132727 ) <[email protected]>:

    No kidding. I would really like to see a poll of the 
    jury members, and if they would change their votes if 
    they had been told that Hans's ex-friend (the wife's new
    dude) had confessed to killing 8 people.

    Some facts are prejudicial.

    Some facts are prejudicial for a very good reason.

    I'd like to see numbers on how that would have changed things.
Re:Kim Wall: Headless body identified as missing journalist by jacquesm on Wednesday August 23, 2017 @06:40AM (#15080237)
> Oh well, maybe Hans will confess and reveal where he stashed the body now.

He eventually did. It would have saved a lot of time and grief if he had done it earlier.

Way too many parallels with this case.

Re:Kim Wall: Headless body identified as missing journalist by jamespo on Wednesday August 23, 2017 @07:45AM (#15080613)
As I recall some Reiser defenders at the time said it "wasn't fair" the government forced him to do that as part of a plea bargain
Re:Kim Wall: Headless body identified as missing journalist by jacquesm on Wednesday August 23, 2017 @07:49AM (#15080648)
Utterly ridiculous.
Re:Kim Wall: Headless body identified as missing journalist by anotherbrownguy on Wednesday August 23, 2017 @06:47AM (#15080278)
If she was murdered investigating Russian Mafia, how does it suggest that the investigator is the real problem? That would suggest that Russian Mafia is the problem, wouldn't it?
Re:Kim Wall: Headless body identified as missing journalist by pvaldes on Wednesday August 23, 2017 @07:14AM (#15080424)
> What is it with Madsen

Let me feed your curiosity. The anwer is: Nothing. This is a interesting problem to eval from a purely intellectual point of view.

In a early phase of the analysis ALL ideas are important. This is similar in many aspects to trying to catch a bug in a program that starts to do unusual things. You could work serially just picking the simpler explanation and stop here, or you could instead make a list of all possibilities and check it against the facts, discarding some and keeping other until the real cause is revealed. There is nothing wrong with it.

The difference is that when debugging a program nobody things "this variable is ugly and evil, so the other variables linked with it must be passing good values". You need to check it. The problem can be (and often is) in the interaction between two functions.

Updating the case, we have a obvious murder. We have a dismembered corpse that explain the "need to sink the submarine", we know were, and probably who. We have a fair good picture of the problem, but we don't know still why. We need to understand the interaction.

Of course there must be a reason and I bet that will be very obvious when revealed... most lose ends are now in the post-murder phase. How the corpse arrived to that beach for example.