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Re:Caterpillar found to eat shopping bags, suggesting soluti... by sctb on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @03:01PM (#14196907)
> Please avoid introducing classic flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say about them.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Caterpillar found to eat shopping bags, suggesting soluti... by orthecreedence on Monday April 24, 2017 @03:56PM (#14187601)
Perhaps I can answer your question. I catch flies and bring them outside when they are in my home. I also regularly go for walks outside. In doing so, I will step on ants, caterpillars, various plants, etc. Some of them surely die. In other words, I will show kindness to animals, but only to the point where it doesn't completely impede my life or my ability to find happiness.

When I think of abortion, I don't think of it as killing babies. I think of it as killing a collection of cells that some day perhaps might be a child. But it is not one. I don't see how one can say that a clump of 64 cells is a child, given that it has the potential to be one, but not also take issue with their sperm not fertilizing an egg. Isn't every sperm a potential child as well? On what point of the scale to you draw the line and say "this is now a child" vs "this is a collection of biological material that may become a child if proper conditions are met?"

I think the first trimester is a fairly decent cutoff.

Re:Caterpillar found to eat shopping bags, suggesting soluti... by notpresident on Monday April 24, 2017 @04:58PM (#14188242)
I don't see how one can say that a clump of 64 cells is a child, given that it has the potential to be one

Thats not what I'm talking about (although I admit I'm generally against.)

See "Born-Alive Infants Protection Act" and "Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act" to get an idea.

Edit:

I think the first trimester is a fairly decent cutoff.

As far as I am aware this is not a general cutoff in the US.

Re:Caterpillar found to eat shopping bags, suggesting soluti... by Falling3 on Monday April 24, 2017 @03:48PM (#14187481)
This is a ridiculous oversimplification of the issues and a guaranteed way of hijacking this for a completely unproductive argument.
Re:Caterpillar found to eat shopping bags, suggesting soluti... by pepve on Monday April 24, 2017 @04:00PM (#14187651)
To be fair, this thread started with someone describing the killing of maggots as "disturbing". It was never going to be a productive argument.
Re:Caterpillar found to eat shopping bags, suggesting soluti... by 21 on Monday April 24, 2017 @04:15PM (#14187837)
GP does have a point. A 4 month old or whatever is the latest you can perform an abortion is certainly bigger than a fly, or even many mammals.

I am pro-choice by the way.

Re:Caterpillar found to eat shopping bags, suggesting soluti... by omginternets on Monday April 24, 2017 @04:09PM (#14187777)
>unborn children

The Orwellianness of this turn-of-phrase never ceases to amaze.

Re:Caterpillar found to eat shopping bags, suggesting soluti... by djrogers on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @02:59AM (#14191356)
What's Orwellian about it? You have to admit that at some point during the natal development cycle, there is a completely viable child in there capable of growing independent of the womb.

How is that not an unborn child?

Re:Caterpillar found to eat shopping bags, suggesting soluti... by omginternets on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @04:38AM (#14191749)
The overwhelming majority of abortions are performed well before this point is reached.

Thank you for demonstrating the Orwellian nature of this phrasing.

Re:Caterpillar found to eat shopping bags, suggesting soluti... by notpresident on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @04:54AM (#14191821)
The problem is that you are arguing like all of them are.

By unconditionally accepting this you are defending some really really questionable practices. The fact that the laws I mentioned above (or below) even had to be made in the first place says something about this.

Re:Caterpillar found to eat shopping bags, suggesting soluti... by mikeash on Monday April 24, 2017 @04:22PM (#14187907)
Can you point out individuals who hold both positions, or do you just expect the entire community to be consistent for some reason?